Originally Posted by motivez I think it's wrong, bigotry and racism should be opposed in all its forms. If he doesn't represent the "black community", there are much more constructive ways to criticize that lack of representation than calling him an "uncle tom" or "house nga" or whatever. Those type ...
10-17-2006, 03:36 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez Uncle Tom wasn't an evil person, who am I to tell a black democrat he can't call a black politician an Uncle Tom? 
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10-17-2006, 03:38 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I don't really care if it's a black politician or white politician saying it. It's not constructive and only serves to further perpetuate racism. I think you can oppose it on moral and ethical rounds easily without the race of the person saying it mattering one bit.
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10-17-2006, 03:38 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim are you denying the racist connotations of the phrase Uncle Tom?
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10-17-2006, 03:41 PM
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| Originally Posted by hsmith I believe if a black man is calling another black man an Uncle Tom, it is not racism...
Did anyone actually ever read the book? Am I the only one here? | ||||
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10-17-2006, 03:42 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Are you black?
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10-17-2006, 03:44 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae How is that the point, the first point of the argument is "can ANY DEMOCRAT call a black person an uncle tom ever" without it being racism
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10-17-2006, 03:45 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Was just curious
http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/48816-post7.html | ||||
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10-17-2006, 03:46 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I can read books that call black people niggers as it was a commonly acceptable term 60 years ago, does that make is acceptable?
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10-17-2006, 03:48 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae
I'd be happy to continue that point at a later time once we've settled the first point | ||||
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10-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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| Originally Posted by hsmith I'll take that as a no, you haven't read the book, someone just told you Uncle Tom is an offensive term so no one can ever use it
If you understood the character, you'd realize that in this anti-slavery book, Uncle Tom is not an evil person, or an evil character, etc The way you guys are talking, its like calling a black american Uncle Tom is the same as calling a russian Stalin | ||||
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10-17-2006, 03:53 PM
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| Originally Posted by motivez What misinformation has he put out there thats been over the top? I haven't seen a political race that doesn't use misinformation or incomplete information. Granted I dont think its right but if both people are doing it then its wrong to criticize steele for using misinformation while ignoring it when competition does it.
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10-17-2006, 03:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Jesus fuck. I have read the fucking book.
Apparently you can't understand the context of how it is used or why it is used. it is being used as a term to put him down based ONLY on his race. that is RACIST. i don't care how you want to paint it in your mind. it was clearly used as a pejorative to discredit him on one thing alone. Go start calling any successful black an Uncle Tom and see how racist they think it is. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 03:57 PM
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| Originally Posted by hsmith
 We had this conversation in my leadership class last week. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 03:59 PM
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| I can sit here and eat a bag of oreos and call them delicious it isn't racist. If i call a black person an oreo it is used in a racist term. Wow, context! | ||||
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10-17-2006, 04:00 PM
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| Originally Posted by hsmith I've been in bars in Philly and had black guys call Steele an "Uncle Tom" and I smiled and nodded to be polite
The term was being used to put him down because he is using a strategy that, while understandable in the 19th century, is unacceptable in the 21st as a way to represent the black community | ||||
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10-17-2006, 04:00 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by hsmith Speaking of Oreos, they threw Oreos at him while he was speaking once. And the Democratic camp against him admits to eating Oreos in the waiting rooms before debates and appearances and making jokes about eating up the competition and stuff.
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10-17-2006, 04:01 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by hsmith There you go. That explains it pretty well.
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10-17-2006, 04:01 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae This is true.
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10-17-2006, 04:01 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim How is starting from nothing, putting yourself through school, starting a family not a good way to represent the black community?
I would love to know. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 04:02 PM
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| How is being a self made success not something good for the black community? | ||||
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