Why is it ok for democrats to be racist?

[hsmith]

this man doesn't look black to me

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Tell me, what portions of what Cosby has said is racist.

He then had critical remarks for Black Christians seeming inability to create positive social change for the urban population he was referring to saying "I’m telling you Christians, what’s wrong with you? Why can’t you hit the streets? Why can’t you clean it out yourselves?"

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[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

He then had critical remarks for Black Christians seeming inability to create positive social change for the urban population he was referring to saying "I’m telling you Christians, what’s wrong with you? Why can’t you hit the streets? Why can’t you clean it out yourselves?"

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how is that racist

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by hsmith

I fail to see how he is not a valid candidate even though he is black. It is pretty sad that you disqualify him based on his race.

Personally I am not disqualifying him from anything because of his race. It all ties back to my response to JaJae. The republican party is associated to a group of people, even bush said it. "Some call you the elite, I call you my base". At that point Steele becomes associated to them and leaves black people behind. This is when he becomes disqualified from representing black people, as percieved by most black people.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Personally I am not disqualifying him from anything because of his race. It all ties back to my response to JaJae. The republican party is associated to a group of people, even bush said it. "Some call you the elite, I call you my base". At that point Steele becomes associated to them and leaves black people behind. This is when he becomes disqualified from representing black people, as percieved by most black people.

Black people love Steele.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Personally I am not disqualifying him from anything because of his race. It all ties back to my response to JaJae. The republican party is associated to a group of people, even bush said it. "Some call you the elite, I call you my base". At that point Steele becomes associated to them and leaves black people behind. This is when he becomes disqualified from representing black people, as percieved by most black people.

So Russel Simmons isn't in touch with the black people?

He voiced support for Steele. I guess he doesn't know the black people, does he.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Ok so he's like a Republican running in CT. Does that mean he should be called racist terms?

Uncle Tom is not always a racist term, and to be honest, anything can be a racist term if society wants it to be...I like Propel...suddenly I start calling everyone black person I see "Propel" with a mocking look on my face...pretty soon it catches on as an insulting term...now its a racist term

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They are saying (rightfully so) that he is using 19th style strategies that are not going to help the 21st century black community, and it is blacks saying this...that is not racism!


If he was a Republican like...Lincoln Chafee, but more focused on black issues, then I'd be against calling him Uncle Tom, even by blacks, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT TERM

Being Republican in and of itself is not being an Uncle Tom...however, the actions he has taken has caused some blacks to label him as such...i still can't find one reasonable argument why blacks SHOULDN'T call him Uncle Tom if they believe he is such

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by hsmith

So why have we seen no progress in democratic controlled inner cities with a majority black population?

and you kid yourself if you don't think democrats hand out favors as well.

A lot of programs that were established are reliant on federal funding. Funding that goes other places when republicans are in control of federal governments.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Uncle Tom is not always a racist term, and to be honest, anything can be a racist term if society wants it to be...I like Propel...suddenly I start calling everyone black person I see "Propel" with a mocking look on my face...pretty soon it catches on as an insulting term...now its a racist term

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They are saying (rightfully so) that he is using 19th style strategies that are not going to help the 21st century black community, and it is blacks saying this...that is not racism!


If he was a Republican like...Lincoln Chafee, but more focused on black issues, then I'd be against calling him Uncle Tom, even by blacks, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT TERM

Being Republican in and of itself is not being an Uncle Tom...however, the actions he has taken has caused some blacks to label him as such...i still can't find one reasonable argument why blacks SHOULDN'T call him Uncle Tom if they believe he is such

It was used to attack him on his race alone, it is racist.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by hsmith

how is that racist

He's saying black people are too lazy or morally inept to go out and clean the streets...how much more racist can you get?

To use your wise examples, what if I went to a bar and said "hey, you guys aren't cleaning up your streets, what is wrong with you people?" You think I'd get a round of applause?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by hsmith

It was used to attack him on his race alone, it is racist.

That's SPECULATION

and WRONG, as ive said before, its about conflicting ideologies

they are criticizing his ACTIONS

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by hsmith

So Russel Simmons isn't in touch with the black people?

He voiced support for Steele. I guess he doesn't know the black people, does he.

Roughly 5% of black people are republicans. I guess Russel Simmons, JC Watts, *mike Tyson, and Kevin Steele, along with the other 4.9999% of blacks who are republican are out of touch with what black people are looking for in an elected official.

Everything I am saying is in a general sense. There are exceptions but they are certainly not the rule. Picking one more black guy out that supports Steele does not change that 95% of other black people support democrats because they feel democrats are closer to supporting their interests.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

That's SPECULATION

and WRONG, as ive said before, its about conflicting ideologies

they are criticizing his ACTIONS

keep telling yourself that

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

He's saying black people are too lazy or morally inept to go out and clean the streets...how much more racist can you get?

To use your wise examples, what if I went to a bar and said "hey, you guys aren't cleaning up your streets, what is wrong with you people?" You think I'd get a round of applause?

So by telling them to quit casting blame on others for their actiosn and telling them to take responsibility for their actions he's racist?

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

He's saying black people are too lazy or morally inept to go out and clean the streets...how much more racist can you get?

To use your wise examples, what if I went to a bar and said "hey, you guys aren't cleaning up your streets, what is wrong with you people?" You think I'd get a round of applause?

He was telling people to do something for themselves.

If that is racist, then ok.

[DosEquis]

This whole issue comes from the republican party nominating a black person, who claims to represent black peoples interests, but doesnt. Some black people will simply vote for him because he is black, regardless of the views. This is where republicans are accused of putting up a black guy to take some of the black vote off the democrat ticket. Combine that with the fact republicans are associated to rich white upper 1% people and this is where "uncle tom" comes in from some people.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

This whole issue comes from the republican party nominating a black person, who claims to represent black peoples interests, but doesnt. Some black people will simply vote for him because he is black, regardless of the views. This is where republicans are accused of putting up a black guy to take some of the black vote off the democrat ticket. Combine that with the fact republicans are associated to rich white upper 1% people and this is where "uncle tom" comes in from some people.

What are these "interests"?

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

This whole issue comes from the republican party nominating a black person, who claims to represent black peoples interests, but doesnt. Some black people will simply vote for him because he is black, regardless of the views. This is where republicans are accused of putting up a black guy to take some of the black vote off the democrat ticket. Combine that with the fact republicans are associated to rich white upper 1% people and this is where "uncle tom" comes in from some people.

Just because you may *think* he doesn't represent black "interests" doens't mean that he does not.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

So by telling them to quit casting blame on others for their actiosn and telling them to take responsibility for their actions he's racist?

What a wonderful way to frame the issue

I viciously stabbed someone today, again and again, I drugged them, and removed articles of their clothing while I did it...ooo how evil is that?

I mean I gave life saving surgery

Weird how framing works, huh?

Anyway, what did he do? HE CRITICIZED THE ENTIRE BLACK COMMUNITY AS HAVING A PROBLEM...THATS THE DEFINITION OF RACISM

But again, if a black man thinks a candidate is falsely saying he reprents his community's views, when in fact he is opposed by 95% of his community, and that black man wants to label the black politician as someone who is using outdated tactics his current community doesn't like...now that man is a racist?

[hsmith]

What are black issues?