Originally Posted by Thorgrim What a wonderful way to frame the issue I viciously stabbed someone today, again and again, I drugged them, and removed articles of their clothing while I did it...ooo how evil is that? I mean I gave life saving surgery Weird how framing works, huh? Anyway, ...
10-17-2006, 05:15 PM
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| Junkie libertarian 
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Once again, is this man (who made the comments) black?
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10-17-2006, 05:15 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by hsmith See how this fake outrage is so ridiculous?
When anyone anywhere says something that libertarians like, it can't possibly be racist, even if it fits the exact definition Cosby could go on and on about the black community being a failure and blacks being a failure blah blah blah, thats fine Call one man an Uncle Tom because he is frauding a community which is 95% opposed to him into thinking he represents him...OH MY GOD, WHAT RACISM, I CAN'T STAND IT ITS SO BLATANT! | ||||
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10-17-2006, 05:17 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Open your eyes and read.
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10-17-2006, 05:17 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by hsmith I don't even like Hoyer, I'd certainly vote him out, and so would many blacks
BLACK PEOPLE are making these comments, and maybe one idiot who blacks and liberals don't like | ||||
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10-17-2006, 05:19 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim ok
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10-17-2006, 05:21 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 ok so the man is a racist?
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10-17-2006, 05:25 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| I don't agree that anyone should be racist. I do think Steele is usually the one to bring race up. He uses it as much as his competition does. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 05:55 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Their interests involve what I have been describing. They do not care about the rich white upper 1% elite that george bush calls his base and that group is associated to republicans. They do not have an reason to elect people who are associated to the interests of this rich white upper 1% elite, because most are not rich white upper 1% elites. These billion dollar subsidies to oil companies do not help them.
Some of their interests include afterschool programs that no longer get funding. Athletic programs for schools that get by on minimal funding. Blue collar, good paying, manufacturing jobs that are disappearing. The increased interest rates on student loans to send their children to college. Healthcare coverage, etc. Things that concern most middle class people, things republicans do not represent. Things that we do not have time to sit around and wait for trickle down. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:04 PM
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| Originally Posted by DosEquis So bush calls the "elite" the base of the republican party and it is suddenlty fact. Please.
Protectionism helps no one. Interest rates are going up because the gov't fucked up the rates by dropping them too low. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:14 PM
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| interwebberus professionalus  Independent
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if the issue were based only on race, then all blacks would be uncle toms, as racism is directed at the whole race and not a minority group within. it is a definately a pejorative, derogatory term, but not a racist one. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:17 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by imind and how is that not racist?
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10-17-2006, 06:17 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by hsmith While campaigning in 2000, then-Governor Bush attended a fund-raising dinner in New York and told the crowd, "This is an impressive crowd — the haves and the have-mores. (Laughter) Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."
It is not a secret that the "elite" corporate types are part of the republican base. Along with the christians. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:34 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by DosEquis The corporate "elite" are as much of the core of the republicans as they are the democrats
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10-17-2006, 06:35 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| And if what Cosby says is racist, grouping all "blacks together", how is it not racist to group all blacks together saying Steele doesn't represent their "interests" Saying all blacks (or even claiming "95%") have the same interests is just as "racist" as Cosbys | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:40 PM
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| Administrator libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Wow, just wow...
So if someone didn't care about the bottom 1% would that be equally dismissable? Money doesn't fix education this has been proven over and over and over again. NYC had 4 times the per capita budget that Oklahoma schools had when Rudy took office, 4 TIMES and their schools were in far worse shape. The student loan rates increased because loan rates across the board increased...the president doesn't control healthcare those are both moot points. I'm middle class, have been lower class, poverty, working poor all kinds of labels saying republicans dont care is just flat out ignorant. Thats all there is to it. They do care they have a different mentality, a mentality of self appreciation, personal responsibility and hand ups in society. The government can not and should not help everyone. The government is not a nanny making sure you go through life without bumps and bruises. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:43 PM
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| Administrator libertarian Oklahoma
| Oh yeah and outsourcing is a natural part of economic shifts. Jobs will come and go, industries will spring up and die its part of economics, part of moving forward. You are not guaranteed a job for life, period. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:46 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Are you making the argument that Republicans don't care about black people? And therefore blacks should vote Democrat and any politician who is a Republican is an Uncle Tom?
You didn't come out and say it, but your defensive position draws to that conclusion. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:56 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| As my friend says "I always say if you are going to look at race who would the slaves be more proud of: a succesful black man or an dumb broke one. Tell me who is the uncle tom" | ||||
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10-17-2006, 06:58 PM
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| interwebberus professionalus Independent
| Originally Posted by hsmith as already explained, it is a term to describe a particular member of a race who does something specific, that 'something' being the qualifier, not the race alone.
racism is directed at the whole of the race, or an individual because of his race, and not because of his actions. | ||||
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10-17-2006, 07:17 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95
 Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I recognize money does not fix everything, but creating a program, making promises, and then underfunding it does not fix anything either. Cutting after school programs does not help. Cutting funding so a school can afford a baskettball team does not help. Cutting funding for school lunch programs do not help. Underfunding the program so badly they can't afford new text books and "history" class finishes up with 1986, instead of 2006. Funding cuts like this are things the republican party does. Things like this do not help the middle class americans who can't afford private schools.
Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 If memory serves he actually passed legislation to increase the student loan rate and he passed legislation to reduce the amount of pell grants.
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