Libertarians are lazy - Page 4

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by lew

The Religious Right says that abortions are killing babies.

But others don't have that same "value" or view on social responsibility that you have.

No. It has nothing to do with social responsibility. It has to do with definitions of what a human being is.

lew · 07-28-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

And since it got lost on the last page i'll ask it again.

What about companies that dump toxic waste into rivers so they don't have to pay for removal?? Don't they have a social responsibility not to poison people to make a quick buck?

If they were hurting people, with all the mediums that we have now (news, interent, etc), people would be boycotting the business.

bheld · 07-28-2006, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Not always. I think there can be degrees of it.

Just like if you see someone broken down on the side of a road. I consider it my social responsibility to at least slow down and ask them if they need help. Sometimes I just breeze by.

true. but we're not legislating at those low levels of social responsibility.

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by lew

If they were hurting people, with all the mediums that we have now (news, interent, etc), people would be boycotting the business.

After how many years when they find out? It's not like they advertise the fact.

And you are making the assumption that most people are informed or give a shit. I think history has shown that's not the case.

lew · 07-28-2006, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

No. It has nothing to do with social responsibility. It has to do with definitions of what a human being is.

See? You and them have different belief systems. They believe that it is. You don't. Disagreement.

lew · 07-28-2006, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

After how many years when they find out? It's not like they advertise the fact.

That's what happens now with the EPA, FDA, etc. So, I don't see how it's any different.

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by bheld

true. but we're not legislating at those low levels of social responsibility.

I know, I was just trying trying to paint a broad picture.

bheld · 07-28-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by lew

If they were hurting people, with all the mediums that we have now (news, interent, etc), people would be boycotting the business.

What if they're going out of business anyway? There has to be some sort of punishment.

Ardentfrost · 07-28-2006, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

After how many years when they find out? It's not like they advertise the fact.

This leads into one of the things I think the gov't should be responsible for... collecting information.

In 1910, the Beurau of Mines was created to do JUST that... no police-style regulation, just straight up information. Because of this, worker fatalities and injuries dropped through the floor.

When people KNOW what is going on, then they take actions to prevent it.

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by lew

See? You and them have different belief systems. They believe that it is. You don't. Disagreement.

And if I want to call a squirrel a cupcake? What don't that have to do with social responsibility other than the fact that my friends will laugh at me in public?

Ardentfrost · 07-28-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by bheld

What if they're going out of business anyway? There has to be some sort of punishment.

I don't necessarily disagree with that, but for the most part, I really don't like police-style regulation

lew · 07-28-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by bheld

What if they're going out of business anyway? There has to be some sort of punishment.

There is. They can be criminally prosecuted.

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by lew

That's what happens now with the EPA, FDA, etc. So, I don't see how it's any different.

I never said I was happy with the way it's done now.

lew · 07-28-2006, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

And if I want to call a squirrel a cupcake? What don't that have to do with social responsibility other than the fact that my friends will laugh at me in public?

You get on to me for "reaching" with the phones and now you post this?

bheld · 07-28-2006, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by lew

That's what happens now with the EPA, FDA, etc. So, I don't see how it's any different.

At least they provide some sort of deterrent beyond a loss of business.

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by lew

There is. They can be criminally prosecuted.

Not without environmental protection laws which enforce a "social responsibility".

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by lew

You get on to me for "reaching" with the phones and now you post this?

You were saying that a differance of definition is a social responsibility problem.

lew · 07-28-2006, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Not without environmental protection laws which enforce a "social responsibility".

Murder can only be charged under environmental protection laws?

Ardentfrost · 07-28-2006, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Not without environmental protection laws which enforce a "social responsibility".

Endangering lives

Like I said, it's a turnkey operation... no self-respecting judge would, given America's current state of envio-consciousness, let them off the hook

Scrum · 07-28-2006, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by lew

Murder can only be charged under environmental protection laws?

Who says they killed anyone?