Ted Kennedy caught in another scandal!

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

He wasn't trying to alter anything. He was trying to influence the voters to vote for someone else other than Reagan.

Any politial ad is intended to influence the outcome of an election.
The man conspired to run TV commercials. It's not like he was giving away state secrets. I don't see this as a big deal.

Yes you're correct, but conspiring with a KNOWN enemy to run sympathetic ads, or any ads for that matter is WRONG. This isn't a gray issue this is black and white, kennedy was wrong, why is that hard for someone to admit? Kennedy has a shakey track record and this is abhorrent and downright dangerous. It also makes me wonder what we dont know about that this scumbag has done.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

So now we're taking away credit from Reagan where credit is due because why? The guy clearly was instrumental in ending the cold war. Where there other factors in play? Absolutely, would the soviets had fallen eventually? Yes but he sped up the process by about a decade according to unbiased historical accounts. Even liberal accounts give him credit here...

Now people are defending Ted Kennedy for being a traitor?

Im not discrediting Reagan. I am merely pointing out that the global political landscape at the time made it possible. To think Mikhail Gorbachev wasnt just as instrumental or Poland's Solidarity movement is simply viewing history in tunnel vision. Reagan's break from the neocons is where he won his respect from the liberals of the day.

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Im not discrediting Reagan. I am merely pointing out that the global political landscape at the time made it possible. To think Mikhail Gorbachev wasnt just as instrumental or Poland's Solidarity movement is simply viewing history in tunnel vision. Reagan's break from the neocons is where he won his respect from the liberals of the day.

He had respect on both sides of the isle and bringing down the soviety union faster than would have otherwise happened is something that reagan had an instrumental part it. There were definately a host of macro factors like OPEC that helped push it to fruition but Reagan was instrumental.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

This isn't about Reagan or nuclear weapons. This is about Kennedy getting in bed with the KGB to kick out Reagan and advance political power of the Democrats during the Cold War. Reagan had his faults. But two wrongs don't make a right.

On this you are flat out DEAD wrong. I was there, I lived it and at the time, I was fucking HAWK!

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

On this you are flat out DEAD wrong. I was there, I lived it and at the time, I was fucking HAWK!

Kennedy's actions and possibly crimes in this case have nothing to do with what other politicians were doing. He made his own decisions, granted based on the political climate at the time. But, that doesn't make what he did right or even acceptable in my book.

Would you also support him getting in bed with Bin Laden to oust Bush 2 years ago based on the current negative political climate? It's just wrong.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

He had respect on both sides of the isle and bringing down the soviety union faster than would have otherwise happened is something that reagan had an instrumental part it. There were definately a host of macro factors like OPEC that helped push it to fruition but Reagan was instrumental.

Of course he was instrumental, he was the most powerful leader on the planet with the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and the strength of the American dollar. But having said that, without Gorbachev, Reagan would not have accomplished a damn thing with the cold war except maybe to make his "star wars plan" a greater reality. It had more to do with Gorbachev's "glasnost and perestroika" movements along with the need to join the global economy that lead to Reagan's ability to make his famous "tear down this wall speech".

There are those in this thread that literally salivate at the thought that something might surface that could bring Ted Kennedy down. This may do it, I dont know and neither do you, you can only hope. Again.....

I think the next step here is to nail down the authenticity of the memo. If it’s real, then the story is obviously very significant. If it’s not real, there’s no story here at all.

We just need to let this story unfold........

[Thorgrim]

yeah, im sure fox news is covering up this one, that liberal media, it gets you everytime

btw Nixon said Reagan had little to do with the fall of the Soviet Union, they were already beyond the point of repair and collapsing rapidly

As Reagan was an idiot and Nixon was one of our smartest (but morally bankrupt) presidents, I believe that over Reaganites conducting their worship ceremonies

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

yeah, im sure fox news is covering up this one, that liberal media, it gets you everytime

btw Nixon said Reagan had little to do with the fall of the Soviet Union, they were already beyond the point of repair and collapsing rapidly

As Reagan was an idiot and Nixon was one of our smartest (but morally bankrupt) presidents, I believe that over Reaganites conducting their worship ceremonies

Are you going to respond to the issue or take jabs at Fox News and try to convince people that Reagan didn't play a major role in ending the Cold War?

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Kennedy's actions and possibly crimes in this case have nothing to do with what other politicians were doing. He made his own decisions, granted based on the political climate at the time. But, that doesn't make what he did right or even acceptable in my book.

Would you also support him getting in bed with Bin Laden to oust Bush 2 years ago based on the current negative political climate? It's just wrong.

The 2 are not even comparable. To say his action had nothing to do with what other politicians were doing at the time isnt even a reasonable statement, it is more like reaching. Again, lets see the authenticity and find out what was behind this. Getting all giddy about this might be a bit premature.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Are you going to respond to the issue or take jabs at Fox News and try to convince people that Reagan didn't play a major role in ending the Cold War?

"I'd have to agree. He did his part"

Just had to dismiss that

and to your OP, i was directly responding that "the media won't give it much coverage" again, why wouldn't fox news cover it, do they have some liberal agenda I don't know about?

Just explain to me why Fox News isn't covering this?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

The 2 are not even comparable. To say his action had nothing to do with what other politicians were doing at the time isnt even a reasonable statement, it is more like reaching. Again, lets see the authenticity and find out what was behind this. Getting all giddy about this might be a bit premature.

Who cares about other politicians? This is about Kennedy. 15 wrongs don't make a right. And Kennedy was the ring leader of this outfit and should hold the majority of the blame.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Who cares about other politicians? This is about Kennedy. 15 wrongs don't make a right. And Kennedy was the ring leader of this outfit and should hold the majority of the blame.

Time will tell,,, stay on top of this one and we will see where it goes. I am not a Kennedy fan but I well remember the time and believe me it is all relative to the time. If this thing turns out to be something corrupt and anti american, I will be right beside you screaming for vindication. It is my opinion that corrupt politicians are the biggest threat to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[Donkey®]

I am trying to figure out what Republicans think when they have to bring up old shit to counteract the bullshit their party has been pulling ever since Bush took office?

Here's a nice list...


The scandal sheet - Salon


1. Memogate: The Senate Computer Theft
2. Doctor Detroit: The DOJ's Bungled Terrorism Case
3. Dark Matter: The Energy Task Force
4. The Indian Gaming Scandal
5. Halliburton's No-Bid Bonanza
6. Halliburton: Pumping Up Prices
7. Halliburton's Vanishing Iraq Money
8. The Halliburton Bribe-apalooza
9. Halliburton: One Fine Company
10. Halliburton's Iran End Run
11. Money Order: Afghanistan's Missing $700 Million Turns Up in Iraq
12. Iraq: More Loose Change
13. The Pentagon-Israel Spy Case
14. Gone to Taiwan
15. Wiretapping the United Nations
16. The Boeing Boondoggle
17. The Medicare Bribe Scandal
18. Tom DeLay's PAC Problems
19. Tom DeLay's FAA: Following Americans Anywhere
20. In the Rough: Tom DeLay's Golf Fundraiser
21. Busy, Busy, Busy in New Hampshire
22. The Medicare Money Scandal
23. The Bogus Medicare "Video News Release"
24. Pundits on the Payroll: The Armstrong Williams Case
25. Ground Zero's Unsafe Air
26. John Ashcroft's Illegal Campaign Contributions
27. Intel Inside ... The White House
28. Duck! Antonin Scalia's Legal Conflicts
29. AWOL
30. Iraq: The Case for War
31. Niger Forgeries: Whodunit?
32. In Plame Sight
33. Abu Ghraib
34. Guantánamo Bay Torture?



And all this was in the first 4 years of this idiot's term. Shall we gather a list of the more recent stuff? I guess the point is...whatever someone did 40 years ago doesn't lesson the fucking debacle the Republican party has allowed to happen in the past 6 years. If you want Kennedy to pay a price for what he is "accused" of doing 40 years ago? Fine, get your proof and mail it to the attorney general. If not, who the fuck cares? It's 2006.

[JaJae]

Figured I'd post some humor. For the first time I've actually read some of the comments over at HotAir. I linked back to them for hits, never really read their story. Just read the linked news story. It's actually quite humorous.

-Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
-I live in Mass, and I can’t figure it out either. I think we keep sending him to Washington to keep him off the streets here.
-Instead of “Bush lied people died.” How about “Kennedy drank and people sank.”
-Of all the Kennedy’s, why is this one still above ground?
-But of course we forget one thing. He got away with murder once, whats a little treason?

[Vietvet]

I see we have a lot of book fans here. I too enjoy a good fictional account of revisionist history by authors who make it up as they go along. As long as you don't believe much of what you read. In a nutshell, I think this is all BULLSHIT, and a lame-assed, pathetic attempt to grasp at straws by a right wing author who, I am sure, has absolutely NO evidence to show to prove what he's saying. Sorry, but "Swiftboating" Kennedy or anybody else for that matter, ain't gonna cut it this time. The TRUTH will prevail, at long last. Republicans are goin' DOWN! (No, I'm not just talking about Foley here). Want a REAL fact-based book to read? Try Woodward's book,"State Of Denial." That's REAL WORLD stuff by a respected reporter, not fiction by some pundint posing as a writer.

[avsp]

Still not really picked up. However its not a new allegation/story with it first being published in 1992 in Russia. Yevgenia Albats seems fairly credible to me but what do I know?

Although I'd agree that at the time (78) it would have been acceptable for those with concerns about Reagans hawk-ish behaviour to reach out to Moscow, it is completely different to consider a joint secret PR campaign.

I mean supposing now foreign corporations were donating cash to campaign funds, ..., wouldnt some see that as questionable?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

the voters wont give a shit... kennedy still wins

he is a kennedy, he can do no wrong

[Thorgrim]

Still not on Fox News, or even the Drudge Report...another liberal conspiracy to protect Ted Kennedy

[SoFlaJDM]

SCANDAL!!

[JaJae]

Update. The author of the book who owns this document Paul Kengor was recently interviewed.

You can download the MP3 here...
http://hotair.cachefly.net/video/200...terview64K.mp3

On page 167 it refers to Kennedy’s intent to work with the Soviets to free the hostages in Tehran–in order to bolster Kennedy’s prospects against President Jimmy Carter, against whom Kennedy was running for the Democrat nomination for president in 1980. Kennedy was also hoping to work with the Soviet leadership to keep detente on track, even as Carter was castigating the USSR for its invasion of Afghanistan. Working Paper #40 goes into some detail about Kennedy’s efforts against President Carter’s anti-Soviet policies in 1980. As in the 1983 overture, Kennedy enlisted Tunney to be his agent in Moscow against a sitting US president’s foreign policy. Taken together, it seems that Sen. Kennedy was equally ready to undermine a Democrat or Republican president.

Apparently his corruption knows no bounds. He was willing to partner up with Russia to gain political power from within his own party and harm Jimmy Carter.

More info from an insider:
Ted Kennedy was a 'collaborationist' Human Events - Find Articles
Who is this insider? Herbert Romerstein:

Herbert Romerstein was head of the Office to Counter Soviet Disinformation at the United States Information Agency from 1983 to 1989. He had previously served as a professional staff member for several congressional committees, including the House Intelligence Committee and the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Now retired, Romerstein continues to write and lecture on the subject of Soviet espionage.

This is getting good. This could explode just in time for the midterm elections. Hopefully ABC's newfound morality will get them to break this scandal.