Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Why would you assume the average war supporter wants to be ignorant? It's hard to remain in support of a war going bad, being mismanaged, etc, if you see the consequences of that mismanagement in all of their horrific detail. People are going to die in ...
10-21-2006, 01:42 PM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist Greensboro, NC 
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 It's hard to remain in support of a war going bad, being mismanaged, etc, if you see the consequences of that mismanagement in all of their horrific detail.
People are going to die in any war, regardless of how well it's run. However, when there's no plan for success, when our strategy is "stay the course on a dead end road", when the President refuses to change tactics despite increased violence, increased deaths, worsening conditions.. not only for American troops, but for the Iraqi people we are supposed to be "helping".. it's an obvious conclusion. It's like what Lott said about `normal people` not "obsessing over the war". Out of sight, out of mind. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 01:46 PM
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| Banned  Socialist Maryland
| Originally Posted by JaJae You know its the same. People see the house then KNOW the people inside it were blown the fuck up. How about showing the bodies of the Hussein boys? How much 'tact' was involved there?
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10-21-2006, 01:50 PM
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| Banned  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 They had Chris Matthews college tour on, and he asked all the people who will sign up for the military (after college) in any way to help the war in Iraq...like 5% stood up, all good applause
Later on, he asked "who supports the war in Iraq and McCain's view that we need more soldiers there" like a huge number, a third of the crowd, stood up He noted "why are people standing up supporting more troops yet they wouldn't sign up?" It's an abstract idea to people "oh yeah we're fighting over there in I-rack and yeah i fully support the war" uh, no you don't They want to close their ears and hear the same stories from 2003 about building hospitals and schools, my god in 3 years we must have built so many hospitals and schools I'm surprised we still have material for concrete barriers Every American who supports the war should be exposed to seeing an American soldier getting killed over their belief, the military didn't vote to go there, they are there because the American public sent them their by voting in the GOP in 2004 Every American who opposes the war should be exposed to seeing the insurgents cutting off the head of an American, so they realize the kind of people we are dealing with and that they'll be celebrating if we leave No ignorance, no censorship, on either side | ||||
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10-21-2006, 01:54 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim So the media has a moral responsibility to air sniper videos received from the enemy on prime time news?
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10-21-2006, 01:56 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Donkey® Well it's like showing the video and cutting away from the shot fired. We all "know" what happened. But it isn't aired. The same message gets across. It's not like the camera was inside the house and we watched him get blown to bits.
It's definitely along the same lines, but I wouldn't call it the same. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:00 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by JaJae The media has a responsibility to show what is going on in an occupation, if the Pentagon is going to do stuff like this:
Military Report to CNN: Enemy Action in Iraq, 3 soldiers dead. Then fuck yea the media needs to be doing something to get A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT, if we have to rely on insurgent videos, then we edit them to extract the most information with the least propaganda But I fucking sick of hearing "News of the day, enemy action, 3 soldiers dead...that is all!" That's fucking not all, I want to know wtf happened, I want to be able to know wtf is going on so I can hold my representative or senator accountable with my pressure he questions the brass | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:08 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I agree. But, also CNN has a reputation for not identifying Hamas and Palestinian militants as such in their reports as well... when other outlets do (as described in the first post). They also have a shaky history on the issue. They tend to have a bias on middle eastern issues and it kind of comes through when they're the only national news airing our soldiers being sniped in Iraq in videos obtained by insurgents.
I think people want to hear the stories and I'm personally sick of hearing more dead in Iraq and these news stories being used for political purposes. They have no info, just telling of the deaths. It's appalling and a lack of justice to our servicemen. I also find this video aired on CNN appalling and a lack of justice to our servicemen and their families back home. It's one thing to tell the story, or even provide a video. It's another to watch them die. They didn't air the beheadings, because it was tactless. Yes it was also extremely gory. But to me there's very little difference. I was also against seeing the images of the men dismembered, burned and hung from a bridge in the media. We don't need this on national television. Just like during the civil rights movement we didn't need to see black men being hooked up to a car and dragged to their deaths on national tv. I think the media has a responsibility to its viewers. What if a kid who's father was overseas was watching CNN and watched that soldier being sniped in the insurgent video given to CNN? It's just appalling that they would air it on the news.. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if they put it on their website with a disclaimer. Or if it was aired on an HBO special. But CNN should keep their news clean. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:10 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae Doss said the decision to broadcast the video came after hours of "intense editorial debate."
He said one compromise was made: The moment when the bullet hits the soldier's head is blacked out. The soldier's face and unit patches were not clear, so identifying him was impossible, CNN said. Link off drudge | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:14 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Imagine being ten years old sitting home watching the news with your mom while your father is overseas in Iraq... And watching a soldier being shot in the head. I feel it's inappropriate. The brave men and women in Iraq should feel comfortable knowing their deaths won't be aired on national television. I think we owe them that much. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:18 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Imagine being ten years old sitting home watching the news with your mom while your father is overseas in Iraq... And watching a report about 10 soldiers killed in Iraq. I feel it's inappropriate. The brave men and women in Iraq should feel comfortable knowing their deaths won't be aired on national television. I think we owe them that much. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:20 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim This is clearly different.
The reason CNN showed this video is because it personalizes it. It hits you. Nightly news about deaths in Iraq are vague and common. Watching marines get shot in the head is not. And hearing stories of people dying in war is expected. Watching our servicemen get their heads blown off on national news is not. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:21 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by JaJae The heads weren't shown being blown off...or getting shot in the head...those parts were faded out...
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10-21-2006, 02:23 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim That really doesn't matter much to me. It has a similar effect. And it's been posted in this thread that some feel they should show the entire video. I'm arguing the counter belief. Not just the incident of the OP.
Does CNN have the right to show it? Yes. I would never take it away. But, I strongly feel it was inappropriate and in very bad taste. And I hope they get hit monetarily for it by their viewers. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:34 PM
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| Better Dead than Red  Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| do you feel it's inappropriate to air the 9/11 footage? | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:39 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM Depends on the footage. If they follow someone jumping to their death and then put a black box over their head when they hit the pavement. Yes. If they show the planes hitting or the towers coming down, no. I'm against watching people jump, not against it enough to complain about it though. I would be all against it for watching them hit the ground.
Same with Katrina. I don't mind the footage or hearing about the killings. If CNN aired a police officer getting shot in the head by a looter I'd be against that too though. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:41 PM
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| Better Dead than Red Democrat Where America Goes to Talk
| i don't like seeing any of that stuff either, but i have a remote, and i can always look the other way. | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:43 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by JaJae I'm sorry I disagree. They have a personal investment in the war because of a loved one. But the rest of us shouldn't live in the dark of the reality of this way to spare their feelings. And the reality is, is that all of those soldiers know the media is there covering the war. They use it when they catch or kill a bad guy, and it's used on them when they are killed. We shouldn't just see the good stuff, we need to see the bad stuff, we need to see truth. I'm sorry if some 10 year old is going to wonder if his Daddy died, but the reality is, is that his Daddy is in a War, and this is what a war is. Sugar coating it, and suppressing reality isn't a benefit to him or the rest of us.
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10-21-2006, 02:44 PM
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| Yeah, that guy.  Progressive Oregon
| Originally Posted by JaJae So you are simply arguing that it is a degree of how graphic footage is?
I would argue that showing the planes hit the towers, the towers collapsing, and showing bombs exploding in Iraq all depict human beings losing their lives, and are all 'graphic'. If you are against airing a video showing a soldier getting shot because it might hurt some viewers fragile minds, then what if they aired a large disclaimer (visually/audibly) before showing the footage? | ||||
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10-21-2006, 02:48 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by garbagemanlb Now we're getting somewhere. See you can argue that x and y are also "graphic". But if you don't care enough to do anything about it it doesn't really matter. There are many people upset over this and they're using democ
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