A powerful way to view why Stem Cell research matter - Page 3

Diesel66 · 10-23-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by lew

Sure they do. The similarities end with roads and law enforcement basically.

and natural monopolies. Having multiple companies run the roads in a city would be ridiculous.

fyi, GPS tracking would probally be the only way a private road system would work. Then you would need another company or the govt to take care of the billing. "lets see you travelled 15.1 miles on X roads and 12.3 miles on y roads"

hsmith · 10-23-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

why do we need an army? Mercinaries FTW.

govt grants back a lot of the research into new drug therapies.

and if you were taxed less, *gasp*, you could invest in companies that would create those medications

7960 · 10-23-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by lew

You edited your post.

nope

7960 · 10-23-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by lew

I never said they did. They should put tolls on it. That way, you only pay for the roads you travel on.

You pay for what you use. What a hard concept.

And when there's an emergency and that ambulance, police car, fire truck, etc that has to get to your house........ Oh, wait, I forgot. Since you're going to make your own roads, drugs, and military maybe you're going to perform your own surgery, too.

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Diesel66 · 10-23-2006, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

And when there's an emergency and that ambulance, police car, fire truck, etc that has to get to your house........ Oh, wait, I forgot. Since you're going to make your own roads, drugs, and military maybe you're going to perform your own surgery, too.

Ambulances in most areas are private corporations. And most hospitals are private too.

7960 · 10-23-2006, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Ambulances in most areas are private corporations. And most hospitals are private too.

fan-fucking-tastic...so now we're going to have private ambulances driving on private roads having to stop and pay tolls...I only hope the private traffic signal people give the private ambulances the code to change the light, but since they're all private...............

(I know they're mostly private now, my point was about the roads)

lew · 10-23-2006, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

And when there's an emergency and that ambulance, police car, fire truck, etc that has to get to your house........ Oh, wait, I forgot. Since you're going to make your own roads, drugs, and military maybe you're going to perform your own surgery, too.

lew · 10-23-2006, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

fan-fucking-tastic...so now we're going to have private ambulances driving on private roads having to stop and pay tolls...I only hope the private traffic signal people give the private ambulances the code to change the light, but since they're all private...............

(I know they're mostly private now, my point was about the roads)

Your arguments are

Besides, while sure I would like everything to be privatized, I have no problem with some things not being privatized - such as roads, emergency services, etc.

nbiggershaft · 10-23-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by AVengeance

The Missouri constitutional amendment does a few interesting things

1) very narrowly defines "cloning" for the sake of the amendment
2) bans said "cloning" (the first part of the doublespeak in the amendment)
3) allows other kinds of cloning not narrowly defined
4) forces taxpayers to pay for private corporations to clone humans, experiment with human body parts grown in labs, and engage in numerous other bad things
5) uses doublespeak to apparently not allow payment for eggs from women, then later says that compensation WILL be allowed, which creates a "market" for human eggs (basically it says that the company can't pay for the eggs themselves, but can compensate for travel, expenses, etc.)

This is not "stem cell research", this will allow cloning, stem cell research, human fetal experimentation, and do all this at taxpayer expense. Sick, sick shit.

So you think the amendment to allow stem cell research but ban cloning is a secret plan to allow cloning? This has been a referendum issue in MO for a long time, I know because I have signed many of the petitions.

In for yes on Amendment 2.

nbiggershaft · 10-23-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I love Michael J Fox...good thing the Bush Admin has devoted more money to stem cell research than any prior administration.

Didn't he help stop the collection atleast for a while of stem cells? Like they couldn't produce any new cells and were stuck using the ones they had?

lew · 10-23-2006, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Didn't he help stop the collection atleast for a while of stem cells? Like they couldn't produce any new cells and were stuck using the ones they had?

Nope. Aborted stem cells is the issue. Other stem cells from things like the umbilical cord have always been fine to deal with.

Thorgrim · 10-23-2006, 07:13 PM

"I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."

Rush Limbaugh on ad
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/rush-mjfox.mp3

Anti-Democrats...the bastion of morality in America

7960 · 10-23-2006, 07:58 PM

If Fox's goal is to make sure people see what parkinson's does, why would he medicate himself so they don't see it? It's not exploitative, it's fact. He has to be seriously drugged to even partiall control his parkinson's. He wants a cure, not a better drug to control it. People he talks to should see what he's like without the drugs, because his goal is to cure it not "live with it better."

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 08:23 AM

Did you know there are people that have diseases such as this and still are against stem cell research? Their reasoning; it's a matter of principle. If people support stem cell research for the sole reason that they themselves have a disease they want to see cured, then that's pretty selfish.

That said, I really like MJF and think he's a real stand-up guy.

DosEquis · 10-24-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by lew

Your arguments are

Besides, while sure I would like everything to be privatized, I have no problem with some things not being privatized - such as roads, emergency services, etc.

Why should I have to pay for YOUR amublance?!

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 04:01 PM

This is the funniest bit about this ad:

Cardin Voted Against Stem Cell Research

Thorgrim · 10-24-2006, 04:09 PM

Funny I didn't know Steele was running in Missouri? Is this breaking drudge news, ballz do you get exclusive credit on this breaking story?

BTW, he voted for full stem cell research, he voted against conservative "alternative stem cell research" aka what Fox is AGAINST

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Funny I didn't know Steele was running in Missouri? Is this breaking drudge news, ballz do you get exclusive credit on this breaking story?

7960 · 10-24-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Funny I didn't know Steele was running in Missouri? Is this breaking drudge news, ballz do you get exclusive credit on this breaking story?

This post is ignorant.

MJFox made another commercial for a candidate in MD.

Thorgrim · 10-24-2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

This post is ignorant.

MJFox made another commercial for a candidate in MD.

Funny I could have sworn the original post was about the Fox ad in MO, not MD

I will give you credit though, the initials are only one letter apart and an O does look kinda like a D...