Newsweek: Most Americans support impeachment, GOP numbers continue to crumble

[Thorgrim]

28% think it should be a high priority, 23% think it should be a lower priority, 44% disapprove of the idea (28+23=51)

And a solid majority of Americans want the Democrats to take over Capital Hill, 55 percent, versus 32 percent who want the GOP to retain control—a 23-point margin. And the Republicans can’t count on their biggest name, George W. Bush, to help much. While the new poll shows the president with a two-point bump in his approval rating—from an all-time low of 33 percent two weeks ago to 35 percent today—most Americans think Bush is already a lame duck. Fifty-six percent said he won’t be able to get much done in his last two years in office. Only 33 percent believe he can be effective.

Fifty-five percent of likely voters in the new Newsweek poll say they would vote for the Democrat in their district if the election were held today, versus 37 percent who say they would vote for the Republican

Most worrisome for the president, should the Democrats retake one or both houses of Congress, the American public supports their proposed “First 100 Hours” agenda.


NEWSWEEK Poll: GOP Losing Its Base - Newsweek Politics - MSNBC.com

17 days to turn things around? With a 18+ generic ballot advantage? Jesus

I'd say more like 10, a week before the election the airwaves are going to be so jammed nothing except a terrorist attack would get the publics attention

10 days...until we start talking about impeaching the president? Americans support it...

[KatKanPlay]

But oh the horror of putting President in front of the name Cheney.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

But oh the horror of putting President in front of the name Cheney.

2/3s of senators will never vote for it, its just a matter of showing history we held our leaders accountable, even if partisan politicans stopped the right outcome

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

2/3s of senators will never vote for it, its just a matter of showing history we held our leaders accountable, even if partisan politicans stopped the right outcome

Agreed.

[KatKanPlay]

Well in that case, I say Impeach the bastard!

[JaJae]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bush get impeached. But for what crime and what evidence?

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

...for what crime and what evidence?

A president is impeached for breaking a law, not because "we don't like him."

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

A president is impeached for breaking a law, not because "we don't like him."

Yea it's interesting. The impeachment is being linked to poll numbers. Being down in the polls isn't evidence or grounds for impeachment.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 7960

A president is impeached for breaking a law, not because "we don't like him."

Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.
2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.
3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.
4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.
5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.
6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.
8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.
9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."
10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.
11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.
12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.
13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.
14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.
15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.
16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."
17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.
18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.
19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

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Notes for the Consideration of Impeachment

[7960]

^

more than half of those are outright crap and the other half are questionable.... good luck.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

^

more than half of those are outright crap and the other half are questionable.... good luck.

Yea, I like the first one "seizing power to wage wars." They weren't seizing power. They were voted in by the public and granted the power by congress. These wouldn't hold up at all. They're all accusations without any evidence. And half of them aren't even crimes. "condoning false statements." By these accounts every politician would kick the bucket.

That article would have a much more compelling argument if it wasn't watered down by all the nonsense.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 7960

^

more than half of those are outright crap and the other half are questionable.... good luck.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Yea, I like the first one "seizing power to wage wars." They weren't seizing power. They were voted in by the public and granted the power by congress. These wouldn't hold up at all. They're all accusations without any evidence. And half of them aren't even crimes. "condoning false statements." By these accounts every politician would kick the bucket.

That article would have a much more compelling argument if it wasn't watered down by all the nonsense.

Yeah, the article was drafted by a bunch of left wing liberal nuts that have no concept or knowlwdge of the law. They just made this shit up....

Think again!

[7960]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Yeah, the article was drafted by a bunch of left wing liberal nuts that have no concept or knowlwdge of the law. They just made this shit up....

Think again!

Yep, it seems to have been. I'm not arguing this one but like I said, much of it is crap.

Summary execution? Violations against charter of the UN? Criminal acts after Katrina? WTF are those?

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 7960

Yep, it seems to have been. I'm not arguing this one but like I said, much of it is crap.

Summary execution? Violations against charter of the UN? Criminal acts after Katrina? WTF are those?

This is a declaration of charges. Each charge must be substantiated, they are not simply written down. I will know more as information becomes available or when I have the time to root it out.

This isnt a joke or a propaganda ploy, it is a movement.

[7960]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

This is a declaration of charges. Each charge must be substantiated, they are not simply written down. I will know more as information becomes available or when I have the time to root it out.

This isnt a joke or a propaganda ploy, it is a movement.

Hey, I just had a movement, too!! And mine smells better than that one.

Honestly, which president *didn't* at some point have a group of people who wanted/tried to impeach him with these kinds of trumpted-up "charges"?

[Donkey®]

You have to look at this in a different way. Is the bullshit that Bush has pulled during his presidency less or more of a reason to impeach him when compared to Clinton and his blowjob? Fuck the "omg he perjured himself" bullshit. Look at it for what it's worth...get Bush in front of a court and let's see if he perjures himself as well if you really need a "crime." If you don't see this war in Iraq as a crime when compared to lying about a blowjob, then you really need help.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

2/3s of senators will never vote for it, its just a matter of showing history we held our leaders accountable, even if partisan politicans stopped the right outcome

except every actual crime/unconstitutional act he has done has been supported by Congress.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

except every actual crime/unconstitutional act he has done has been supported by Congress.

If there was some way to get rid of everyone, we should.