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Old 08-02-2006, 10:49 AM   #141
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Lebanese website blames Hizbullah for Qana deaths

Anti-Syrian elements in Lebanon openly point finger at Hizbullah as guilty of killing of dozens of civilians in order to curtail plans for disarming group. 'Hizbullah has placed rocket launcher on building's roof and brought invalid children inside in bid to provoke Israeli response,' they write
that is what I think happened, as cynical as that makes me sound
 
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Old 08-02-2006, 02:23 PM   #142
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor
hezbollah has been considered a terrorist organization since its inception in 1982


By Israel and the United States. What other countries?
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey®
By Israel and the United States. What other countries?
they basically invented the suicide bomber tactic that hamas perfected
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
they basically invented the suicide bomber tactic that hamas perfected


All I asked was a simple question...besides Israel and the US, what countries have officially listed Hezbollah as a terrorist organization?
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey®
All I asked was a simple question...besides Israel and the US, what countries have officially listed Hezbollah as a terrorist organization?
western countries i think...google just says 'western nations'. those include europe, right?

middle eastern countries think they are heroic, but tha'ts not surprising.

edit: found this in wiki

Six countries, including the United States, have designated part or all of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.
they list the US, canada, israel, UK, netherlands, australia, and the european union.

if you want to think they are a resistance then you join the ranks of iran and syria...is that really where you want to be?
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
western countries i think...google just says 'western nations'. those include europe, right?

middle eastern countries think they are heroic, but tha'ts not surprising.

edit: found this in wiki



they list the US, canada, israel, UK, netherlands, australia, and the european union.

if you want to think they are a resistance then you join the ranks of iran and syria...is that really where you want to be?


So six countries....+ Europe. There are how many countries in the world? Japan, China, Mexico, India, Brazil...not just Iran and Syria.
 
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Originally Posted by Donkey®
So six countries....+ Europe. There are how many countries in the world? Japan, China, Mexico, India, Brazil...not just Iran and Syria.
yeah a bunch of 3rd world countries

what's your point?
 
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
yeah a bunch of 3rd world countries

what's your point?


I think it's stupid when people call certain groups "terror organizations" when it's only a handful of countries labeling them as such.
 
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I think it's stupid when people call certain groups "terror organizations" when it's only a handful of countries labeling them as such.
and the others supporting them are a bunch of fascist regimes.
 
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:53 PM   #150
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Originally Posted by Donkey®
By Israel and the United States. What other countries?
even the bbc calls them terrorists:
For many years, Hezbollah was synonymous with terror, suicide bombings and kidnappings. In 1983, militants who went on to join Hezbollah ranks carried out a suicide bombing attack that killed 241 US marines in Beirut.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Who are Hezbollah?
 
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PM - Calls to remove Hezbollah from terrorist list rejected by Australian Government
australia as well
 
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:56 PM   #152
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canada, the uk, the netherlands
 
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:57 PM   #153
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I think it's stupid when people call certain groups "terror organizations" when it's only a handful of countries labeling them as such.
Russia doesn't because they have such good ties with Iran
 
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There was a list posted with all of the Governments who list Hezbollah as a terrorist organization

Many of the ones who do "in part", list maybe 1 or 2 people..
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor
not at all. If I saw said activities it would be my duty to report it and I would be criminally charged if I didn't. Look at the haditha investigation two officers were charged because the investigators felt they were trying to cover up
Like I said, that's the main difference. They don't have anyone to report it to. It doesn't mean they should be condemned, though.

Guilt by assosciation is bullshit.
 
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Like I said, that's the main difference. They don't have anyone to report it to. It doesn't mean they should be condemned, though.

Guilt by assosciation is bullshit.
they didn't report it, they made them the leaders of their country
 
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Not everyone who's died or will die in this conflict voted for Hezbollah, but even if they did, don't you think bringing them into the political process is a better solution and trying to talk about issues is a better solution?

If not, why did we allow someone like Al Sadr to do so in Iraq, after his militia killed Americans?

We did it because we realize that violence begets more violence, and long term solutions require diplomacy and all that comes with it.
 
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Originally Posted by motivez
Not everyone who's died or will die in this conflict voted for Hezbollah, but even if they did, don't you think bringing them into the political process is a better solution and trying to talk about issues is a better solution?

If not, why did we allow someone like Al Sadr to do so in Iraq, after his militia killed Americans?

We did it because we realize that violence begets more violence, and long term solutions require diplomacy and all that comes with it.
not everyone we bombed in germany and japan during WWII supported the regimes in place. I really don't think talking will ever solve this, war will.

beats the shit out of me
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor
not everyone we bombed in germany and japan during WWII supported the regimes in place. I really don't think talking will ever solve this, war will.

beats the shit out of me
Once again, we didn't have the technology that we do now with accurate targeting
 
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Once again, we didn't have the technology that we do now with accurate targeting
doesn't matter how accurate you target when they are shooting of the tops of buildings full of women/kids.
 
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