Hillary leads McCain 51-44 in 2008 matchup

Thorgrim · 10-23-2006, 12:53 AM

Asked if they preferred Hillary Rodham Clinton to McCain, respondents gave the Democratic New York senator and former first lady a 51 percent to 44 percent advantage over the Republican Senator from Arizona.

Poll: Spare the 'Rodham,' spoil her election - CNN.com

It goes on to explain how labeling her as "Hillary Rodham Clinton" helps her with woman who identify her more as independent from her husband

I am telling you guys, a lot of you underestimate Hillary, they need to do some serious polling in 2007, but I think the extreme turnout of women who would register to vote or inactive women who would vote would skyrocket, and she'd win as long as:

-No more terrorists attacks before the elecitons
-Iraq has been basically decided (it seems to already have been)
-She doesn't royally screw up her campaign (kinda hard when Bill is there to coach her 24/7)

The "OMG get those scandal ridden Clintons out!" was tried in 96, Clinton won in a landslide

I am pretty anti-Hillary as of right now, just because I don't think she's been a great Democrat...lets see how the House races turn out in NY...but honestly, the pool of 08 candidates is pretty terrible, and if McCain and Rudy split the moderate vote, whatever loon the GOP put up would get smashed by any Dem

JaJae · 10-23-2006, 01:29 AM

Her skeletons aren't thrown out in the public eye yet. She can't beat McCain on the national level just like Kerry couldn't beat Bush... regardless of what the polls show.

garbagemanlb · 10-23-2006, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Her skeletons aren't thrown out in the public eye yet. She can't beat McCain on the national level just like Kerry couldn't beat Bush... regardless of what the polls show.

1. I agree that Hillary is a polarizing figure and would likely lose a general election.

2. Kerry could have beaten Bush, he just made some strategic errors.

3. McCain lost many followers with his recent kissing-up with the evangelical right and Bush.

Thorgrim · 10-23-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Her skeletons aren't thrown out in the public eye yet. She can't beat McCain on the national level just like Kerry couldn't beat Bush... regardless of what the polls show.

Do you have no idea how many personal investigators worked 24/7 on Hillary Clinton from 1992-2000? How many from 2000-today?

Trust me, those skeletons have been out soon long they've turned to dust

I don't think there's another woman in history who has been as thoroughly investigated as Hillary Clinton

Scrum · 10-23-2006, 10:14 AM

I would be voting for a 3rd party candidate if those two win the primaries.

There isn't a backbone between the two of them.

garbagemanlb · 10-23-2006, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I would be voting for a 3rd party candidate if those two win the primaries.

There isn't a backbone between the two of them.

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lew · 10-23-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I would be voting for a 3rd party candidate if those two win the primaries.

There isn't a backbone between the two of them.

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Of course, I'll be voting third party anyway.

Bill Maher was even saying how Hillary keeps "selling out" as well. Her positions on Iraq are particulary bad - being that she is on the side with the President.

hsmith · 10-23-2006, 12:32 PM

Do the democrats want to give another one to the republicans?

nbiggershaft · 10-23-2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I would be voting for a 3rd party candidate if those two win the primaries.

There isn't a backbone between the two of them.

I doubt I would vote for McCain. But he has more backbone than most politicians I've seen in years, (that isn't alot though

).

Scrum · 10-23-2006, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

I doubt I would vote for McCain. But he has more backbone than most politicians I've seen in years, (that isn't alot though).

He sold himself to the GOP a little while back and reversed his public opinion on many things Bush was doing.

I lost respect for him then. It would take quite a bit for him to earn it back, but I suppose it's possible. He has a better shot at it than Hillary.

Diesel66 · 10-23-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I would be voting for a 3rd party candidate if those two win the primaries.

There isn't a backbone between the two of them.

.

JaJae · 10-23-2006, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

He sold himself to the GOP a little while back and reversed his public opinion on many things Bush was doing.

I lost respect for him then. It would take quite a bit for him to earn it back, but I suppose it's possible. He has a better shot at it than Hillary.

Cindy Sheehan wants to start her own third party. She'd probably get more votes than the Libertarians, lol.

Diesel66 · 10-23-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Cindy Sheehan wants to start her own third party. She'd probably get more votes than the Libertarians, lol.

at least we know who to put in the camps

JaJae · 10-23-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

at least we know who to put in the camps

Could you imagine if she ran? Her and Hugo campaigning together. Michael Moore would no longer be the Democratic poster boy during election runs. Quite an interesting turn of events would unfold.

Diesel66 · 10-23-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Could you imagine if she ran? Her and Hugo campaigning together. Michael Moore would no longer be the Democratic poster boy during election runs. Quite an interesting turn of events would unfold.

would be like David Duke all over again. But he at least was partially sane.

JaJae · 10-23-2006, 06:19 PM

In my opinion Clinton is unelectable. She comes off as fake. She's a woman from Chicago who did a poll to see where should could get elected and ran for Senate in that state. She does nothing for NY and uses her position to advance herself.

She's keeps herself in the spotlight and has said a lot of very stupid things that will bite her in the ass if she decides to run. I mean just everything from insulting young workers, to plantation comparisons, she removed herself from New Yorkers after 9.11 and said politicians shouldn't insert themselves in people's grief. She was criticized as being a part of the Whitewater controversy, associated with the Black Panthers, her anti-semetic remarks.. calling someone a "Fucking Jew Bastard" and referring to people as "Jew Boy" ... She was on the presidential board of Walmart and there is a lot of dirt there to be brought up.

She's only been in the Senate a few years and she already has made a mockery of herself and the position. Imagine her campaigning and everything she does being in the spotlight. She would bury herself. She's not electable.

The Dems would do much better with Obama and that's what I've been hearing from the Dems on the news as well. The Dems are pushing Obama, and it's probably the smartest move they've made in the past 6 years. Hillary would not stand a chance in a national election against the GOP and their presidential campaign strategies. She would implode.