The only area I believe the government should fund, and fund to a greater degree, is

lew · 10-24-2006, 09:12 AM

to veterans.

Our VA system is a joke, and this is the only area I can fully support our government funding more money towards. While I'd be for privatization of the system, as far as funding goes we should give more money to these people that fought wars for this country.

And I'm even anti-war.

bringbackbill · 10-24-2006, 09:26 AM

Amen. My Dad used to be a Republican until he saw the cuts being made iat the VA under Bush. Now he's a staunch Democrat.

Diesel66 · 10-24-2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by bringbackbill

Amen. My Dad used to be a Republican until he saw the cuts being made iat the VA under Bush. Now he's a staunch Democrat.

pretty interesting since the VA system has gotten more money every year Bush has been in office not to mention a whole new coverage plan.

It still sucks though, but that is due to socialized medicine.

WickedLou9 · 10-24-2006, 02:42 PM

Isn't that socialized medicine? Why should the government pay for thier health care and no one elses? The simple fact that someone decided to join the army makes them deserving of medical care but someone who works his ass off 60 hours a week trying to feed his family doesn't deserve it?
That's retarded.

lew · 10-24-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Isn't that socialized medicine? Why should the government pay for thier health care and no one elses? The simple fact that someone decided to join the army makes them deserving of medical care but someone who works his ass off 60 hours a week trying to feed his family doesn't deserve it?
That's retarded.

The government should pay for their health care because they worked for the government and were forever affected by their actions in the military.

It can also be argued that giving money to veterans is constitutional while giving money to other people in socialized forms is completely unconstitutional.

motivez · 10-24-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by lew

It can also be argued that giving money to veterans is constitutional while giving money to other people in socialized forms is completely unconstitutional.

I'd be interested in seeing your constitutional argument for that.

Diesel66 · 10-24-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I'd be interested in seeing your constitutional argument for that.

dont you know ? It is the old I like this program so it is legal but your plan is wrong. Everyone does it

lew · 10-24-2006, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

dont you know ? It is the old I like this program so it is legal but your plan is wrong. Everyone does it

Who said I liked it it? I don't. I merely was saying this is one area I can agree that the government should fund, if it does any funding at all.

kinggovernor · 10-24-2006, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Isn't that socialized medicine? Why should the government pay for thier health care and no one elses? The simple fact that someone decided to join the army makes them deserving of medical care but someone who works his ass off 60 hours a week trying to feed his family doesn't deserve it?
That's retarded.

socialized means everyone in society benefits, the VA is a benefit from being employed in the United States Military

Diesel66 · 10-24-2006, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by lew

Who said I liked it it? I don't. I merely was saying this is one area I can agree that the government should fund, if it does any funding at all.

No the argument that one type of socialized medine is legal but everyone is not eligable.

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

socialized means everyone in society benefits, the VA is a benefit from being employed in the United States Military

For life though ? Dont get me wrong, Veterans deserve a much better system/benefits then they currently get, but it is socialized for those without service releated disabilities.

motivez · 10-24-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

socialized means everyone in society benefits, the VA is a benefit from being employed in the United States Military

What if they're no longer an active employee?

JaJae · 10-24-2006, 07:56 PM

I thought you said you wanted them to fund roads and emergency services too?

kinggovernor · 10-24-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

For life though ? Dont get me wrong, Veterans deserve a much better system/benefits then they currently get, but it is socialized for those without service releated disabilities.

yes, it is a benefit for life just like a pension

kinggovernor · 10-24-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

What if they're no longer an active employee?

pensions plans still pay out in you are no longer an active employee

lew · 10-24-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I thought you said you wanted them to fund roads and emergency services too?

Nah, I'd rather have that privatized. I said I don't necessarily mind if those are funded. Just that I think it'd be more efficient for the private sector to take care of them.

nbiggershaft · 10-24-2006, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by lew

to veterans.

Our VA system is a joke, and this is the only area I can fully support our government funding more money towards. While I'd be for privatization of the system, as far as funding goes we should give more money to these people that fought wars for this country.

And I'm even anti-war.

It's suprising that we have VA problems when very few people oppose increasing veteran benefits.

RMNIXON · 10-24-2006, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Isn't that socialized medicine? Why should the government pay for thier health care and no one elses? The simple fact that someone decided to join the army makes them deserving of medical care but someone who works his ass off 60 hours a week trying to feed his family doesn't deserve it?
That's retarded.

A great many Veterans don't use it. But I think it should be there for actual wartime veterans as a private form of insurance. The VA Hospitals are proof we don't want government run rationed healthcare!

But to survive a comabat situation they deserve that much if not more consideration. However, for the guys who just joined up in the 80's and 90's for the education benefits and never saw any combat, yeah I am not so sypathetic.