Schlesinger shouts down Lieberman heckler at debate

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 11:40 AM

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Does anyone else besides me find it quite annoying how prevelant it has become that the left is doing this at just about every talk? Is it to the point where the only way they can get their message across is to silence everyone else?

Kudos to Schlesinger for stepping up to the plate

JaJae · 10-24-2006, 12:55 PM

It's good to see someone was willing to stand up to this nonsense. Liberals have been running a mock this election year. Not that they usually don't, but this time around it seems to be getting ridiculous.

Thorgrim · 10-24-2006, 01:30 PM

Uh, they hecklers were LaRouche followers, try reading Connecticut newspapers before making accusations

I'd hardly call someone who said former Senator and 2002 MN candidate Walter Mondale a Soviet agent is a "liberal"

ofcourse, i know you guys couldn't contain yourselfs from jumping at attacking liberals

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 01:39 PM

So they're not part of the left?

R-Type · 10-24-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Does anyone else besides me find it quite annoying how prevelant it has become that the left is doing this at just about every talk? Is it to the point where the only way they can get their message across is to silence everyone else?

I don't see how 'liberals' (meaning what? everyone left of pat robertson and jerry falwell? It's hard to tell with some of you) are in a position to silence anyone. Conservatives control things at the moment and are no strangers to silencing dissent (take your pick

). Anyway, politicians are politicians. There is NO difference between them when it comes to things like this and as a result there's really no argument for this thread. It's the political equivalent of "the sky is blue! look!"

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by R-Type

I don't see how 'liberals' (meaning what? everyone left of pat robertson and jerry falwell? It's hard to tell with some of you) are in a position to silence anyone. Conservatives control things at the moment and are no strangers to silencing dissent (take your pick ). Anyway, politicians are politicians. There is NO difference between them when it comes to things like this and as a result there's really no argument for this thread. It's the political equivalent of "the sky is blue! look!"

You're the second one to say I said 'liberals'. Feel free to point out where I said that.

For the record, I said 'left'...you can use that to mean the 'far left' or the 'moderate left', whichever you deem appropriate. What I said is accurate. It's obvious in this case it's the far left, but in many other cases (recently it seems a conservative can't give a single lecture without being chased off the stage) it's the moderate left. Either way, the term 'left' is still fitting.

I don't know where you get the term 'liberals' from in my post. If your head is spinning and you're still confused, I'll even quote myself:

it has become that the left is doing this

JaJae · 10-24-2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

So they're not part of the left?

Isn't LaRouche typically associated with communism? How much further left can you get.

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Isn't LaRouche typically associated with communism? How much further left can you get.

My point exactly

Thorgrim · 10-24-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Isn't LaRouche typically associated with communism? How much further left can you get.

Yeah I know I always tried to figure out why right wingers in the US supported fighting Right-wing regimes like fascist Italty, or why left winger presidents like LBJ fought the left-wing VC in Vietnam

It doesn't make any sense, I mean, left is left and right is right

This is making my head spin, can we go back to bashing liberals?

R-Type · 10-24-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You're the second one to say I said 'liberals'. Feel free to point out where I said that.

I know you didn't say 'liberals,' jajae did. However, you've implied generalizations like that before.. it's not that big a leap.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

For the record, I said 'left'...you can use that to mean the 'far left' or the 'moderate left', whichever you deem appropriate. What I said is accurate. It's obvious in this case it's the far left, but in many other cases (recently it seems a conservative can't give a single lecture without being chased off the stage) it's the moderate left. Either way, the term 'left' is still fitting.

Chased off the stage? Lieberman wasn't chased offstage. I don't see the president being chased off the stage when he gives his 'lectures.' I don't see foxnews going anywhere anytime soon. The only people I see literally being chased offstage are neo-nazis like coulter and that's because the majority of the audience didn't like what was being said.

In the video, the hecklers were thrown out, and liberman was allowed (as he should) to have his say and the majority cheered him and schlesinger. So, what's the problem? Justice was served, right?

None of this negates my stated points: 1. the right does just as much silencing, 2. there's no real story here, and hence no point for the thread unless the purpose was simple chestbeating. On the subject of 'conspiracies,' maybe those 'larouche' guys felt compelled to do what they did based on rightwing censorship? who knows, right?

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by R-Type

In the video, the hecklers were thrown out, and liberman was allowed (as he should) to have his say and the majority cheered him and schlesinger. So, what's the problem? Justice was served, right?

In this particular video, yes, the hecklers were thrown out, as all of them should be. The point is not about this particular video, however, as it is with all of them. There are too many instances where the hecklers aren't thrown out; in fact they rush the stage, attack the speakers in some way, or just never shutup. Lieberman couldn't even get this heckler to shutup. How childish can these people get?

Please, show me 10 videos in which the right does 'just as much silencing'. I can't even think of one instance of the top of my head where the right has pulled these stunts.

motivez · 10-24-2006, 04:00 PM

The insinuation that these people are somehow Democrats or affiliated with the Lamont campaign is expected, but it's false.

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

The insinuation that these people are somehow Democrats or affiliated with the Lamont campaign is expected, but it's false.

The assumption that I insuated this is expected, but false.

motivez · 10-24-2006, 04:06 PM

The assumption that I insinuated you were the insinuator is also expected, but also false.

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

The assumption that I insinuated you were the insinuator is also expected, but also false.

The only thing insinuated was that they were liberals, by Jajae, and they most likely are. Nobody else would heckle Lieberman. Which means they are also likely Democrats. How can you blatantly say this is false?

Nowhere did anyone insinuate they were with Lamont

So basically your post makes no sense at all.

R-Type · 10-24-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

In this particular video, yes, the hecklers were thrown out, as all of them should be. The point is not about this particular video, however, as it is with all of them. There are too many instances where the hecklers aren't thrown out; in fact they rush the stage, attack the speakers in some way, or just never shutup. Lieberman couldn't even get this heckler to shutup. How childish can these people get?

Please, show me 10 videos in which the right does 'just as much silencing'. I can't even think of one instance of the top of my head where the right has pulled these stunts.

So I'm supposed to scour the internet for the left wing equivalent of hotair and find you a video, and if I can't, then I'm supposed to assume the right doesn't do these things? bleh. How about the heckling at the streisand concerts? mr bush's 'protest zones'? how about the WBC funeral protests? It's not like the right wing doesn't also have bags of dirty tricks to play during sensitive times...

oh and if some right wing group did heckle that particular debate, and were then kicked out, it'd be called 'left wing censorship' by the same nutjobs who run hotair.com. Heckling is usually done when a faction feels they are being censored. If the crowd sides with them (as in coulter's speech up at UCONN), then the orator should quit his argument was too weak to withstand even a few choice comments from the crowd. In the case of lieberman, there were enough supporters in the room to shut them up. As a result, I don't see heckling as true censorship but as a force that countersteers the crowd from being lead too far off the deep end. In other words, make sense and people won't heckle you. Spout too much opinionated rhetoric, and people will start singing in german.

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btw, you HAVE insinuated the 'liberal' pejorative on many occasions.. it's easy to make that leap when you make threads like this.

ballz2wallz · 10-24-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by R-Type

So I'm supposed to scour the internet for the left wing equivalent of hotair and find you a video, and if I can't, then I'm supposed to assume the right doesn't do these things? bleh.

It wouldn't be that hard if they were so prevalent.

How about the heckling at the streisand concerts?

Hardly politically motivated; more like someone who'd rather hear her sing than politicize

mr bush's 'protest zones'?

Are those specific to just the Bush admin?

how about the WBC funeral protests?

Did you not know they are registered Democrats? But in reality, I'd hardly count them as right or left. They are just plain nuts. Is that how far you have to go to support your argument?

It's not like the right wing doesn't also have bags of dirty tricks to play during sensitive times...

All I've done is ask you to show me. If they were as prevalent as these videos are, you should be able to provide me with some examples. It doesn't seem you are able to, which tells me it just doesn't happen like you'd like to think it does.

oh and if some right wing group did heckle that particular debate, and were then kicked out, it'd be called 'left wing censorship' by the same nutjobs who run hotair.com. Heckling is usually done when a faction feels they are being censored. If the crowd sides with them (as in coulter's speech up at UCONN), then the orator should quit his argument was too weak to withstand even a few choice comments from the crowd. In the case of lieberman, there were enough supporters in the room to shut them up. As a result, I don't see heckling as true censorship but as a force that countersteers the crowd from being lead too far off the deep end. In other words, make sense and people won't heckle you. Spout too much opinionated rhetoric, and people will start singing in german.

I don't think this is an issue of censorship, but more of a 'I have nothing real substantial to I'll just act childish'

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btw, you HAVE insinuated the 'liberal' pejorative on many occasions.. it's easy to make that leap when you make threads like this.

Please, provide examples where I've falsely insinuated someone was a liberal when that just wasn't the case. If there are many cases, it shouldn't be that hard, right?

Stylerod · 10-24-2006, 07:50 PM

Well, while everyone is attacking Ballz and talking about everything except this clip I guess I will. It was very

that Schlesinger got up and did that. The crowd was pleased as well. Kudos to him.

JaJae · 10-24-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Well, while everyone is attacking Ballz and talking about everything except this clip I guess I will. It was very that Schlesinger got up and did that. The crowd was pleased as well. Kudos to him.

It shows character. He's not winning this race. He has been very critical of Lieberman. He could have allowed them to just heckle him and sit back and watch like Lamont. But he chose to stand up. Likely it was for political reasons and not for morality. But he did it regardless.