He's describing what he saw, experienced as a veteran, and reported on in Vietnam...you keep on this whole redstate/hannity line about him writing sexually explicit lines about boys and fathers...is there any republican attack on a democrat you don't like?...
10-28-2006, 02:32 AM
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| He's describing what he saw, experienced as a veteran, and reported on in Vietnam...you keep on this whole redstate/hannity line about him writing sexually explicit lines about boys and fathers...is there any republican attack on a democrat you don't like? | ||||
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10-28-2006, 02:41 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Ok, well then she's reporting what she saw. And her experiences.
And I never said I agreed with the attack on Webb. I think this was a bullshit cheapshot. His books are books and they're fiction. There was no need for this and I hope it hurts Allen for printing it. However, taking cheap shots at Lynne Cheney or calling her a liar for saying her writings are explicit like Webb's I'm going to debate you on. And unless you can find something that hasn't yet been released by the liberal blogosphere you're going to lose. Hence the shifting of focus here to my political views on the slander against Webb. I don't agree with this slander. And I've said repeatedly I think both Webb and Allen are morons and I hope Webb wins just on the fact that I want the Dems to win the Senate and I don't like Allen. So your ad hominem against me and my political views has failed. You accuse me of being partisan on this issue. Excuse me I don't feel what's been brought to light on Lynne Cheney's book can hold any shred of reality to the notion that they're comparable or that they're sexually explicit in the way Webb and CNN are trying to lead us to believe. Your views are all over Kos and the extreme liberal blogosphere. I think my view on this issue is the rational one so the continued Hannity references don't seem to make sense. I even said, from the interview it seems like she's lying. But I haven't been able to find anything. I even linked to a copy of her book for reference and investigations. Instead we're resorting to ad hominems and my personal views of slander against Webb. Last edited by JaJae; 10-28-2006 at 02:51 AM.. | ||||
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10-28-2006, 02:53 AM
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| L. CHENEY: You know Jim Webb is full of baloney. I have never written anything sexually explicit. His novels are full of sexual explicit references to incest, sexually explicit references -- well, you know I (INAUDIBLE) just want my grandchildren to turn on the television set this morning, Imus was reading from the novels and it -- it's triple x-rated. BLITZER: Here's what the Democratic Party put out today, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. Lynne Cheney's book featured brothels and attempted rape. In 1981 Vice President Dick Cheney's wife, Lynne, wrote a book called "Sisters", which featured a lesbian love affair, brothels and attempted rapes. In... (CROSSTALK) BLITZER: ... 1988 Lynne Cheney wrote about a Republican vice president who dies of a heart attack while having sex with his mistress. Is that true? L. CHENEY: Nothing explicit and actually full of lies. It's not -- it's just -- it's absolutely not... BLITZER: Did you write a book entitled "Sisters"? L. CHENEY: I did write a book entitled "Sisters"... BLITZER: It did have lesbian... L. CHENEY: This -- no, not necessarily. This description is a lie. I'll stand on that. BLITZER: There is nothing in there about rapes and brothels? L. CHENEY: Wolf, Wolf, Wolf, could we talk about a children's book for a minute? Everything in bold is a clear-cut lie You can take it a step further, and say everything she said was a lie If I saw two chicks making out and have it graphically described, I'd call that sexually explicit but, even dropping that arugment, she still throws up a lot of LIES | ||||
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10-28-2006, 02:55 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Watch the video. You're selectively editing out part of the scene with your transcript  . There was a whole myriad of accusations. She said the "description" that was presented and conveniently left out by you was a lie. I said "her response seemed like a lie... here's a her book. Can someone prove it wrong? "So far you haven't and by selectively picking what you want from the conversation like Michael Moore you're not making your argument any stronger. All that's been given as proof she "lied" is that one excerpt of two women in love from a novel that's about two lesbians entitled "sisters." And if that's all you got, you haven't proved a single thing. | ||||
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10-28-2006, 03:03 AM
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| uh...i posted the exact transcripts...and i posted the ENTIRE transcript from that section, there was not one word left out...i bolded the sections i liked, the others are not bolded...you can read the whole thing goto cnn.com...check out the transcripts... if someone makes a rant and it only has a few lies, that doesn't mean the rant was true its debateable whether the entire exchange was a total lie, which i posted exactly with nothing "edited out" the things i bolded were bald-faced lies | ||||
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10-28-2006, 04:10 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Watch the video. You're missing what she was referring to.
They played a video in between there that she was referring to. | ||||
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10-28-2006, 04:51 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by willis I'm on their page now all I see is stuff about "Fictional Sex" with a picture of Allen and "Sex, Torture and Children's Books" with a picture of Lynne Cheney.
As I browse around the main page I see links about Generals disapproving with the war, Michael J Fox and his lack of need for Limbaugh's pity, etc. Nothing at all about the economy or remotely in to help the GOP win the election. Just GOP negatives. | ||||
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10-28-2006, 05:14 AM
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| watched it...what a waste of time... anyway, incest remark=total lie graphic 1: In 1981 Vice President Dick Cheney's wife, Lynne, wrote a book called "Sisters", which featured a lesbian love affair, brothels and attempted rapes. graphic 2: In 1988 Lynne Cheney wrote about a Republican vice president who dies of a heart attack while having sex with his mistress. Is that true? Yes, they are both true! Yet she continually calls them lies, read the transcript! I just looked through all the graphics (there were a whole two when Blitzer brought up Webb and ended Webb) So she is a liar, because she goes on the air and tells lies | ||||
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10-28-2006, 05:25 AM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae Oh yeah the Webb story being brought up on national air, the NJ SC ruling getting air time, a week on NK testing nukes, the utter lack of coverage on Iraq and Afghanistan even though they both should be headlines stories for 10 minutes on every network news EVERY NIGHT because they are far and away the subject most americans need reporting from...
About the economy, the numbers are out there everyday, everynight people see the stock market rise, every unemployment number gets released, ever GDP growth whatever...PEOPLE STILL DON'T LIKE HOW THE GOP IS RUNNING THE ECONOMY I mean honestly, you won't be happy until CNN runs a segment titled "American voters are stupid because they don't understand how wonderful Bush's economy is for them" I'm annoyed at how conservative the news coverage has been...You have republican senators not facing re-election calling for a change in course, you have more radical calls from those facing re-election, not to mention the democrats, you have the Sunni nationalists fighting the Shia Madhi army who is fighting the Shia Badr Corp who is fighting Sunni fundamentalists who are fighting Kurdish nationalists who are fighting Turkomen, etc and 99% of the american public has no idea what I just said, let alone all the complexities involved | ||||
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10-28-2006, 08:46 AM
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK
| I've not read the entire thread, which obviously, shouldnt be allowed, but I've a few comments. Originally Posted by JaJae Now maybe you were being sarcastic, but, for all the obvious reasons, how could i tell
so Justin Case She has no wit of her own? And with a similar disclaimer Originally Posted by Thorgrim She is unable of being 'warped' herself?
Moving On Either way, Mrs Cheney seems a fairly formidible woman & I liked the way she aplogised to Hilary Clinton over misquotes in some snobby-sounding Womans magazine, ..., showed a certain class If I were a GOP gunslinger I'd probably favour using her over her husband coz of his 'ghoulish' public, (comical ?) reputation & the perception of him as an architect of an 'unpopular' war. Is she, currently, having a higher public campaigning profile than her husband? She certainly seems to get more mentions in Rons stuff (tho' maybe its just a sampling error I dont read it all). Or is she just involved in a few highly-contested races? Did she publically campign this much in the last few elections? Does she ever get asked why she seemingly has a higher profile now than her husband, (assuming that this is the case)? | ||||
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10-28-2006, 01:18 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by avsp She's not publically campaigning. She just wrote a children's book and CNN had her on their show to discuss her book and instead drilled her on politics and tried to make her look like a fool. All of these recent news clips are from the same interview.
And now Webb is trying to slander her by saying her book is the same if not worse than his because his book isn't sexual while hers deals with "graphic lesbian love scenes" which isn't true. Basically she wrote a children's book and now CNN is throwing her to the wolves and Webb is using her book about a lesbian couple to try to downgrade his writings. Webb claims he's a "serious writer" and his book "wasn't sexual" while Lynne Cheney writes "graphic lesbian love scenes." CNN, Webb and possibly even the DNC are just using her new children's book release to do a seemingly false hit campaign on her. Webb is claiming this is a "graphic lesbian love scene" Originally Posted by Lynne Cheney According to Webb and the liberal blogosphere this isn't sexual at all, in fact it has been compared to a father bathing a child. Nothing offensive, sexual or disturbing about it.
Originally Posted by Webb
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10-28-2006, 01:33 PM
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| A naked boy in vietnam, how rare! Jim Webb is one creative writer Like it's been said a billion times, that was something he saw and was commonplace, just because people don't have the mental capacity to understand vietnamese culture does not mean they can go around labeling things sexual which aren't...but I guess the real story is that him and John McCain are really into child pedophillia sidenote: LC is a proven liar | ||||
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10-28-2006, 01:42 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim A naked boy flipped upside and given a blowjob by his dad! I can't believe how crazy the passage is being distorted. "A naked boy in vietnam, how rare!"
 "And there was nothing sexual about how the father handled the boy in Vietnam, its like saying any american dad who gives his son a bath is a child molestor" "just because people don't have the mental capacity to understand vietnamese culture does not mean they can go around labeling things sexual which aren't" In what culture is putting someone's penis in your mouth not sexual? | ||||
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10-28-2006, 02:03 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae Vietnam
But you know, ignorance is bliss, you get to laugh at someone else, must be fun | ||||
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10-28-2006, 02:17 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I regret to inform you Thorgrim that in basically all species of life oral to genital contact is a sexual act. Humans are no exception to this rule. In some cultures it may be more commonplace. But it still a sexual act and not at all akin to bathing a child.
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10-28-2006, 02:27 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae The Volokh Conspiracy -
So I guess all those guys are sexual predators, anymore anti-semitic statements you'd like to make? | ||||
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10-28-2006, 02:58 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Sucking the blood out of a wound is nowhere comparible to anything being discussed in the situations regarding this thread. Keep the ad hominems to yourself. There's been enough of it in this thread.
I'm not calling you a pedaphile for your views, there's no reason to take a similar stretch here. | ||||
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10-28-2006, 03:22 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae
Originally Posted by JaJae
 Either you're going back on your first post because it obviously contradicts your second post, in which case you're a partisan hack unless you apologize to the vietnamese people, jewish community, Jim Webb, and the jewish posters on this forum...maybe they'll have it in their hearts to forgivei you, or you want to go back on your second post and be anti-semitic | ||||
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10-28-2006, 03:29 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Thorgrim, I'm really tired of this. You're in an indefensible position and using ad hominems to divert attention to the thread. Before you called me a Hannity clone. Attacked my political views of slanderous campaigning. And now you're calling me anti-semetic.
How about you take my posts in context and relate it to the topic of the thread. I'd appreciate that. Thank you. This thread has nothing to do with Jews. Sucking the poison out of someone's penis wouldn't be considered sexual either. If you have to go to such unrelated means to defend your position, perhaps it should tell you something about your position and perhaps you shouldn't be using ad hominems. |
