State of the Union

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by The Esteemed Gentleman

1. How do you know I was talking about you specifically? Your response that I must have been talking about you only validates and affirms others' insistence that you do just that.

2. How do you know you can "name more things he's done wrong than [i] can name things he's done right"? Putting aside the reality that your statement is conjecture, are you actually implying you know more about Obama's record than other posters (specifically, me) here in the forum?

3. Shall we bow down to your ego now, or later?

It was jest...and bow now.

[The Esteemed Gentleman]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

...and bow now.

only out of my inability not to crumple over while laughing at the thought:

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And why do Republicans hate the stimulus and bash it unflinchingly while using it's money? Washington is all about money...let's not pretend it's different. Do I like it? No...but that's how it is.

Because they HAVE to take the stimulus. It was mandatory. That was the worst part about that bill. It forced states and local municipalities to take the money, fixing their budgets, temporarily. So, what happens next year when they are still in the red and all the stimulus money is gone?

Originally Posted by Scrum

Because just about every politician won't do shit unless they are getting some kind of kick-back.

That's so radically pitiful it's not even fun. I know it's true but it still makes me sick. Where do these fools in congress think all this money is coming from? Obama's secret stash?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Swift

Because they HAVE to take the stimulus. It was mandatory. That was the worst part about that bill. It forced states and local municipalities to take the money, fixing their budgets, temporarily. So, what happens next year when they are still in the red and all the stimulus money is gone?

Mo, they didn't. They could have taken a stand on principle but didn't...because of fears their people wouldn't vote them back in office.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Swift

Because they HAVE to take the stimulus. It was mandatory. That was the worst part about that bill. It forced states and local municipalities to take the money, fixing their budgets, temporarily. So, what happens next year when they are still in the red and all the stimulus money is gone?

Nobody forces these guys to pose for pictures with oversized checks when they hand the money out.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Swift

But he did eventually capitulate, didn't he? All the dems in the Senate did. So it wasn't a republican issue of "blockage" but a matter of Obama's unpopular policies, as you said.

My question again is this, if Obama's policies are so good for america, why do members of his party need major bribes to go along with them?

Well here is the deal. Any time a democrat puts the word "health" and "reform" in the same sentence, republicans and fox news are ready to paint it as some communist/socialist bill that will destroy the foundation of our country, result in no healthcare for anyone, and leave us in economic ruin. People in my state actually believe that shit. They actually listen to Glenn Beck... like take him seriously.

As a democrat from a republican state - he has to vote a certain way to represent the people of the state. Should he choose not too, the centrist/conservative democrat will be replaced by a republican.

I would not use Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman's votes as a method to measure the legitimacy of Obama's policies.

[The Esteemed Gentleman]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I would not use Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman's votes as a method to measure the legitimacy of Obama's policies.

Why not Joe Lieberman? Connecticut isn't exactly known for its conservative politics.

Neither is Massachusetts, which if you may recall, just elected a Republican on the promise that he would vote to kill Obama's healthcare agenda.

If people in MA aren't even on board with what he's selling, at some point you just have to admit that the product is akin to a Toyota with a faulty gas pedal, you know?