Messy Allen divorce file leaked, its over in VA, Democrats won

[Thorgrim]

Hmm...race-baiting ads in TN by Republicans...Majority Leader of Congress calling Rep. Frank "Barney Fag"...yeah...its all Democrats

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

No I'm not missing the point, the point is democrats use any mistake by republicans as an excuse for a rock throwing fest.

Yes they are, it is political game of power. It is the repulicans that have provided the fodder for the rock throwing! THEY put themselves on a morally superior pedestal, THEY sold the voters a bill of goods based on a morally superior agenda. If THEY had their way, we would all be forced to live by their moral code.

They are not perfect. But I'd say it takes more courage to stand up for something you know everyone can't live up to...you know people are going to make mistakes, you know YOU will make mistakes, but you stand on your principles anyways...This beats the living shit out of just throwing in the towel on principles.

Cant live up to?? Was that a typo? I see nothing courageous but rather unrealistic thinking. That type of thinking just sets up a frame work for failure. When one stands on a set of priniciples but does not live by those principles, that does not constitute a mistake, that constitutes knowingly compromising ones own principles to meet a goal usually consisting of money and/or power. If you are able to compromise your own principles, then you dont have strong belief in those principles. The divorce is not the issue here. The issue is the veil of hypocrisy, that surrounds the conservative republican party. The real issue is the use of moral values to gleen power for political purposes. The issue is that those who gained power on these moral issues do not live by these moral issues. This story by itself is insignificant, it is the total picture of corruption within the "party of moral values" that exposes the party not to be about moral values at all. This man was a presidental contender at one time. Did he really think he was immuned to scrutiny? Do you think he is immuned to scrutiny?

[6SpeedTA95]

Thats not a typo, no one lives up to their values and principles 100% of the time. Which is my point...

[Thorgrim]

YouTube - Senator Allen refuses to release arrest records

fox friends covers Allen arrest warrant story very briefly (its picking up steam)

Much better to talk about your opponent hiding his arrest record and your views on the failed policies in Iraq than have Allen running around on a dead story about a novel...theres nowhere to go on that, no story...the cover-up is what makes this interesting

[Stylerod]

Boy, that leaked divorce file is really putting a hurt on Allens campaign. So, uhm, where was it again? I can't seem to find anything about it?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Emails began pouring in earlier today about a rumor on Capitol Hill about some trouble in Sen. George Allen's (R-VA) divorce file. Josh Marshall and others cannot get a response from the Allen campaign.

It seems everyone is emptying their opposition research files today.

Update: A very reputable political reporter tells me this isn't from Democratic opposition research and that it's probably coming out because many feel Allen "crossed the line" when he started talking about Jim Webb's novels.

I'm told divorce records are usually sealed for two reasons: (a) to protect kids, and (b) to protect large financial fortunes. Neither situation applies in Allen's case, so the suspicion is that it's something not very nice.

Update II: A clue might be in this Ryan Lizza piece on Mark Warner about a story that had been "making the rounds" about a 2008 presidential contender who "once spit on his wife." That rumor was also about Allen.

Political Wire: Buzz in Virginia

me, im putting all my money in on Webb on intrade since he obviously just won the race

This shows Allen's real character and obviously won't play well with VA voters

Still waiting for details.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Still waiting for details.

don't you notice the irony of the title considering Webb has a 4pt lead in every poll since the novel story broke?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

don't you notice the irony of the title considering Webb has a 4pt lead in every poll since the novel story broke?

No. You said we would be seeing something about divorce records. Did you lie?

[thatguyoverthere]

I think the title of the thread refers to a previous thread about Webb. This is just useless campaign season bickering by both sides.

I've got an idea; how about we all wait for the election before calling winners?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

No. You said we would be seeing something about divorce records. Did you lie?

It's on hold, I will get back to you sometime in the future about the situation

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's on hold, I will get back to you sometime in the future about the situation

why don't you just delete the thread since it was all bullshit anyway.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

don't you notice the irony of the title considering Webb has a 4pt lead in every poll since the novel story broke?

Election 2006: Senate and House Races Updated Daily has him at 1% up a couple days after from a Rasmussen poll.
This one has him up by 2
Virginia Senate: Webb (D) now leading Allen (R) by 2

The information you are providing is blatantly false.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Election 2006: Senate and House Races Updated Daily has him at 1% up a couple days after from a Rasmussen poll. Did you lie?

oh little grasshoper, let us chat for a moment:

The pollster.com average is: Webb +3

They take into account a small college poll done as a side project which only got about 400 likely voters in a huge state like VA...the poll is as worthless as the Zogby Interactive one, which is also counted just because they don't want to piss off Zogby...the one outlier is a project done by a communications center at a small college

Electoral-vote takes into account polls taken before the novel "scandal broke"

So no, i didn't lie

Every polling institute that has released their results since the novel story has shown a 4+ Webb lead

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Election 2006: Senate and House Races Updated Daily has him at 1% up a couple days after from a Rasmussen poll.
This one has him up by 2
Virginia Senate: Webb (D) now leading Allen (R) by 2

The information you are providing is blatantly false.

The latest Rasmussen Reports election poll shows Webb with 48% of the vote to 46% for Allen. When leaners are included, it's Webb 51% Allen 46%.

Leaners are always added a week before the election as part of the election results...but good job jumping to conclusions without actually checking out the poll for yourself

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

oh little grasshoper, let us chat for a moment:

The pollster.com average is: Webb +3

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

don't you notice the irony of the title considering Webb has a 4pt lead in every poll since the novel story broke?

Thanks Mr. Grasshopper for proving my point. You said it better than I ever could have.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Thanks Mr. Grasshopper for proving my point. You said it better than I ever could have.

So, pollster.com is the final authority on what polls have been conducted since the novel broke...because thats how they setup their polling? nice logic

even if you were right, you're going to say im lying and blah blah blatantly false, the cause of the downfall of civilization, etc because I said 4pt lead instead 3pt lead?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So, pollster.com is the final authority on what polls have been conducted since the novel broke...because thats how they setup their polling? nice logic

even if you were right, you're going to say im lying and blah blah blatantly false, the cause of the downfall of civilization, etc because I said 4pt lead instead 3pt lead?

Thorgrim. You stated.. FOR THE THIRD TIME!!! You can give me a negative reputation for pointing this out to you for the third time as well if you like.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

don't you notice the irony of the title considering Webb has a 4pt lead in every poll since the novel story broke?

No I didn't notice it in every poll since the story broke because it's not true! I provided you with the two most recent poll links we received from Ron Burgundy which clearly show a margin of 2-3 points. And Rasmussen currently has them at 1 point two days after the story broke.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

even if you were right, you're going to say im lying and blah blah blatantly false, the cause of the downfall of civilization, etc because I said 4pt lead instead 3pt lead?

4 points is typically outside the margin of error which is likely why you said it. 1-3 points is not. In any event you were wrong. Don't attack me or lower other user's reputation because you made an incorrect statement.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Thorgrim. You stated.. FOR THE THIRD TIME!!! You can give me a negative reputation for pointing this out to you for the third time as well if you like.


No I didn't notice it in every poll since the story broke because it's not true! I provided you with the two most recent poll links we received from Ron Burgundy which clearly show a margin of 2-3 points. And Rasmussen currently has them at 1 point two days after the story broke.


4 points is typically outside the margin of error which is likely why you said it. 1-3 points is not.

Every polling institute has shown, since the scandal, a 4pt Webb lead

The Rasmussen poll clearly states a 5pt webb lead, if you take away leaners (for what reason i have no idea) it is still a 2pt lead, not a one point lead

Saying Rasmussen has them at 1 point two days after the story is a blatant lie

[ballz2wallz]

Why do people put so much faith into the polls anyway?