Messy Allen divorce file leaked, its over in VA, Democrats won

Thorgrim · 10-27-2006, 05:25 PM

Emails began pouring in earlier today about a rumor on Capitol Hill about some trouble in Sen. George Allen's (R-VA) divorce file. Josh Marshall and others cannot get a response from the Allen campaign.

It seems everyone is emptying their opposition research files today.

Update: A very reputable political reporter tells me this isn't from Democratic opposition research and that it's probably coming out because many feel Allen "crossed the line" when he started talking about Jim Webb's novels.

I'm told divorce records are usually sealed for two reasons: (a) to protect kids, and (b) to protect large financial fortunes. Neither situation applies in Allen's case, so the suspicion is that it's something not very nice.

Update II: A clue might be in this Ryan Lizza piece on Mark Warner about a story that had been "making the rounds" about a 2008 presidential contender who "once spit on his wife." That rumor was also about Allen.

Political Wire: Buzz in Virginia

me, im putting all my money in on Webb on intrade since he obviously just won the race

This shows Allen's real character and obviously won't play well with VA voters

ballz2wallz · 10-27-2006, 05:32 PM

Democrats just can't stand this book thing...

Phantom · 10-27-2006, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

me, im putting all my money in on Webb on intrade since he obviously just won the race

shall we do a 2 week ban bet? I'm up for it.

6SpeedTA95 · 10-27-2006, 05:45 PM

I dont get it, republican goes through divorce and democrats harp all over it, I dont see many democrats being criticized by reps for being divorced...also most divorces aren't "nice" or "clean"

nbiggershaft · 10-27-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Emails began pouring in earlier today about a rumor on Capitol Hill about some trouble in Sen. George Allen's (R-VA) divorce file. Josh Marshall and others cannot get a response from the Allen campaign.

It seems everyone is emptying their opposition research files today.

Update: A very reputable political reporter tells me this isn't from Democratic opposition research and that it's probably coming out because many feel Allen "crossed the line" when he started talking about Jim Webb's novels.

I'm told divorce records are usually sealed for two reasons: (a) to protect kids, and (b) to protect large financial fortunes. Neither situation applies in Allen's case, so the suspicion is that it's something not very nice.

Update II: A clue might be in this Ryan Lizza piece on Mark Warner about a story that had been "making the rounds" about a 2008 presidential contender who "once spit on his wife." That rumor was also about Allen.

Political Wire: Buzz in Virginia

me, im putting all my money in on Webb on intrade since he obviously just won the race

This shows Allen's real character and obviously won't play well with VA voters

So, we have no clue whats in it and probably won't find out.... am I missing something how is he screwed?

Thorgrim · 10-27-2006, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

shall we do a 2 week ban bet? I'm up for it.

From this forum? 2 weeks without 7960, B2W, hsmith, kg, 6speed, jajae, style, ethyl, rmnixon, lew, avengeance...i don't think I could deal without their friendship

and what would i get out of you being banned for 2 weeks? I'd lose all your insight

that being said, i like betting, is there another race besides TN or VA you'd like to bet on?

DosEquis · 10-27-2006, 05:57 PM

Phantom · 10-27-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

From this forum? 2 weeks without 7960, B2W, hsmith, kg, 6speed, jajae, style, ethyl, rmnixon, lew, avengeance...i don't think I could deal without their friendship

and what would i get out of you being banned for 2 weeks? I'd lose all your insight

that being said, i like betting, is there another race besides TN or VA you'd like to bet on?

I'd miss you guys too, but I think either of us would recover just fine.

I like VA. I pick Allen, you pick Webb.

If there is a winner picked election night or the day after, loser stays off for 14 days effective immediately? (this is prime election gloating/headhanging mind remember)

If no winner is picked, say no concession from either candidate, we call it a tie?

DosEquis · 10-27-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I dont get it, republican goes through divorce and democrats harp all over it, I dont see many democrats being criticized by reps for being divorced...also most divorces aren't "nice" or "clean"

I am not saying this is right... but..

Republicans set themselves up for that kind of criticism because they play the moral/religious/family values card all the time. That is what they stereotypically representing. It just seems hypocritical for someone to try and take the moral high ground with their religion/values/marriage when they are truly no better than the average person. But that is the card that works to get them elected... so thats why they face more criticism than democrats.

Democrats do not typically approach those issues that way so they kind of sneak around it.

ballz2wallz · 10-27-2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

that being said, i like betting, is there another race besides TN or VA you'd like to bet on?

But wait! What happened to this?

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

me, im putting all my money in on Webb

6SpeedTA95 · 10-27-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I am not saying this is right... but..

Republicans set themselves up for that kind of criticism because they play the moral/religious/family values card all the time. That is what they stereotypically representing. It just seems hypocritical for someone to try and take the moral high ground with their religion/values/marriage when they are truly no better than the average person. But that is the card that works to get them elected... so thats why they face more criticism than democrats.

Democrats do not typically approach those issues that way so they kind of sneak around it.

So because people make mistakes they're not allowed to discuss issues? You can make a mistake and still believe in the issues at hand, KNOWING that you made a mistake.

Phantom · 10-27-2006, 06:18 PM

Thogrim, this offer is good until midnight tonight EST. I must go to class and won't be back until monday. We can renogotiate then if you don't like this one.

Originally Posted by Phantom

I'd miss you guys too, but I think either of us would recover just fine.

I like VA. I pick Allen, you pick Webb.

If there is a winner picked election night or the day after, loser stays off for 14 days effective immediately? (this is prime election gloating/headhanging mind remember)

If no winner is picked, say no concession from either candidate, we call it a tie?

Thorgrim · 10-27-2006, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

I'd miss you guys too, but I think either of us would recover just fine.

I like VA. I pick Allen, you pick Webb.

If there is a winner picked election night or the day after, loser stays off for 14 days effective immediately? (this is prime election gloating/headhanging mind remember)

If no winner is picked, say no concession from either candidate, we call it a tie?

Remember what I said about VA, i have all my money on it...if I lost all my money AND Liberty Lounge...well that'd be just too much

There are the house elections, other senate races, governors races...cmon

Diesel66 · 10-27-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

shall we do a 2 week ban bet? I'm up for it.

waste of time, if the Dems dont win he will be crying in the corner for a month

ethyl · 10-27-2006, 06:32 PM

When did all of a sudden democrats stop playing the moral and family values card? The only thing they rarely harp on is religion. I guess that exclusion makes it awesome to be a democrat politician, in which they can cheat, steal and screw anyone they want without setting themselves up for criticism?

Setting Republicans on such a high pedestal just makes it sound like you're belittling the democrats as the party of immoral heathens.

Thorgrim · 10-28-2006, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

waste of time, if the Dems dont win he will be crying in the corner for a month

Nope, the election is a win-win for me

We don't capture either chamber? great, let them deal with Iraq and we'll win the WH in 08
(for all of those who think Democrats would collapse after an embarrasing failure...see 1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2002, 2004)

We capture the house and/or senate? Great, investigations, fun CSPAN!

What do I care about?

PA Senate race

I lived in PA my whole life, I've known Rick Santorum for 12 long hard years, I hate him with the fiery passion of a 1000x white suns

If Santorum wins, then I'd cry and leave the board

If he loses (which he will), I'll be so happy about that, that I'll be dancing in the streets, anything else is icing

DosEquis · 10-28-2006, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

So because people make mistakes they're not allowed to discuss issues? You can make a mistake and still believe in the issues at hand, KNOWING that you made a mistake.

as long as you hold that same standard for both parties... i'd be willing to buy that

SoFlaJDM · 10-28-2006, 11:31 AM

thread title... i posted about this on pg 1 on the gop wins thread

KatKanPlay · 10-28-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

So because people make mistakes they're not allowed to discuss issues? You can make a mistake and still believe in the issues at hand, KNOWING that you made a mistake.

You are missing the point. This goes beyond simple mistakes. We all make mistakes. It is about the hypocrisy of the act more than the act itself.

A good majority of conservatives vote their wallets. Another sector of conservatives vote their moral values. Somewhere that sector of conservatives that are for smaller government seems to have disappeared. The marriage of the Moral Majority and the conservatives of the Republic Party in the 80's and the whole "clean up America campaign has created quite a quandry for those wallet voters. Although the wallet voters prefer as little government as possible, the moral voters want government to step in, put federal laws in place that restrict the rights of individuals and their lifestyles (not just gay), and have allowed massive amounts of money to be spent in order to support the views of the moral majority which will grow government.

People who want to govern morallity based on a specific sector of the population but does not live that morallity themselves are complete hypocrits! The party, of conservatives, has set itself up for this kind of scrutiny and ridicule. They either need to move away from a political agenda that allows government to tell people how they have to live or they need to stop whinning when hypocrisy is exposed. If align yourself, for political gain and power, with a group that preaches and declares it should be so, then you better be walkin the walk and talkin the talk.