CUT and RUN ... the PLAN for AMERICAS FUTURE

alan1000 · 10-29-2006, 01:15 PM

Are we as a nation going to allow the NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT to dictate what AMERICA does in the future......????

Are we going to surrender everytime we lose our will to defeat the enemy, cause it cost too much, and they are not bothering us now.

SURRENDER seems to be the new AMERICA!

SoFlaJDM · 10-29-2006, 01:56 PM

welcome to the board

hsmith · 10-29-2006, 02:01 PM

ha ha! i am throwing out an open ended phrase that has no real meaning!

"NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT"

motivez · 10-29-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by alan1000

Are we as a nation going to allow the NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT to dictate what AMERICA does in the future......????

Are we going to surrender everytime we lose our will to defeat the enemy, cause it cost too much, and they are not bothering us now.

SURRENDER seems to be the new AMERICA!

I think cut and run is a horrible way to frame opposition to "staying the course", because it makes good intelligent people who disagree seem like cowards, and a debate about something as important as the lives of thousands of American soldiers, billions of dollars, and war should never be reduced to that kind of a simplistic phrase.

I don't think it's about surrender honestly, because while there's a few people who want us to pack up and leave right now, the general consensus among Democrats is now that we're there, lets win, but lets change the course because the course aint workin.

motivez · 10-29-2006, 02:06 PM

Welcome to the site by the way

IminWonderland · 10-29-2006, 03:30 PM

It seems weird that the people we went there to "save" are now the people we are fighting, and now the people we are "running" from.

Kytro · 10-29-2006, 03:55 PM

It's like driving at an on coming cliff. People start to warn you a cliff is coming up, but instead of listening you attack them and insist on staying the course.

Diamond Cross · 10-29-2006, 04:33 PM

What happened to my post?

alan1000 · 10-29-2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

welcome to the board

you are welcome, I might like this place

alan1000 · 10-29-2006, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

ha ha! i am throwing out an open ended phrase that has no real meaning!

"NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT"

what else would I expect from the enemy!

alan1000 · 10-29-2006, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I think cut and run is a horrible way to frame opposition to "staying the course", because it makes good intelligent people who disagree seem like cowards, and a debate about something as important as the lives of thousands of American soldiers, billions of dollars, and war should never be reduced to that kind of a simplistic phrase.

I don't think it's about surrender honestly, because while there's a few people who want us to pack up and leave right now, the general consensus among Democrats is now that we're there, lets win, but lets change the course because the course aint workin.

I never framed it, your party did, and it is the general attitude of the extremist of your party that this would be the direction, and the extremist seem to be running your party, assuming the democrats are your party.

As long as DEMOCRATS refuse to PUBLICALY announce a plan, we can then only assume by the screeching of the LEFT, that they really mean "CUT and RUN" cause the alternative is to support the WAR, and that DEMOCRATS stand miles from

motivez · 10-29-2006, 04:57 PM

Well, first of all, I'm not a Democrat, so saying "your party" is talking to someone else

And, the Republicans framed the debate as "cut and run" vs "stay the course".. but now that it's obvious to most of the country that staying the course is really staying the course on a road to nowhere, they've mostly dropped that phrase.

The Democrats have released plans about what they'd like to see happen, with certain goals the Iraqi's have to hit by certain dates so progress (or the lack thereof) can be measured.

If you'll notice, the GOP recently accepted the Democratic proposal to set some benchmarks (essentially a "timetable") for what the Iraqi government needs to accomplish and when.

Diamond Cross · 10-29-2006, 05:40 PM

Could you post a link to that plan?

motivez · 10-29-2006, 05:55 PM

http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/RealSecurity_web.pdf
http://www.brookings.org/fp/saban/an...iraqreport.pdf ( linked in "Real Security" )

I'm almost positive the majority of Democrats agree with Murtha's idea for strategic redeployment of troops and timetables and goals for the Iraqi Government so that progress (or lack thereof) can be measured.

Diamond Cross · 10-29-2006, 06:00 PM

Thanks.

KatKanPlay · 10-29-2006, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by alan1000

Are we as a nation going to allow the NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT to dictate what AMERICA does in the future......????

Are we going to surrender everytime we lose our will to defeat the enemy, cause it cost too much, and they are not bothering us now.
SURRENDER seems to be the new AMERICA!

I have yet to hear one single American say surrender!!!! There is nothing to surrender. The war ended when we toppled the regime of and captured saddam hussein . We kicked ass!! ( Meanwhile Afghanistan, Talaban, Al-Queada, Bin Laden slips into obscurity.)

Now....
Why wouldnt we want to redeploy and assess the new war we created?? Why wouldnt we strategize to win?? This country should never put itself in a war it doesnt know how it is going to win. Allowing the killing to continue until this administration figures it out is not a strategy???

Welcome to the forum

WickedLou9 · 10-30-2006, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by alan1000

Are we as a nation going to allow the NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT to dictate what AMERICA does in the future......????

Are we going to surrender everytime we lose our will to defeat the enemy, cause it cost too much, and they are not bothering us now.

SURRENDER seems to be the new AMERICA!

This sounds like a badly written GOP campaign ad. Just add a referance to Nancy Pelosi in there and you got it.

Vietvet · 10-30-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by alan1000

Are we as a nation going to allow the NEW CULTURE of APPEASMENT to dictate what AMERICA does in the future......????

Are we going to surrender everytime we lose our will to defeat the enemy, cause it cost too much, and they are not bothering us now.

SURRENDER seems to be the new AMERICA!

I find it interesting that the guys who like to use phrases like "cut and run" usually turn out to be "chickenhawks" who have never seen combat. I have. I know Bush didn't. Neither did Cheney. It's easy to sit on the sidelines, wave the flag, and be a cheerleader. Men who have been in combat situations usually tend to have more horse sense than to shoot first and ask questions later. Like Bush and Cheney did. An old saying goes,"When you find yourself in a deep hole with no way to climb out, the first thing you should do is stop digging." These guys never read that. Most of you on the right don't read much anyway, evidently. It's a shame our troops are paying the price for that kind of stupididy.

avsp · 10-30-2006, 10:45 AM

Would 'oilspot', (a counter insurgency tactic) be appropriate to counter sectarian violence?

How could the forces build rapport with the local population if they were non-local Iraqis? Thus isnt there a risk that such a stategy using native forces would only serve to bolster sectarian positions? Alternatively if soley coalition forces are to be used then does the political will to, near enough, triple the force size exist?

Still its good that someone has some concrete proposals. The dems should promote this document more forcefully.

The problem with 'timelines' is that you can only really use them as a metric, ..., I see that over the last week the domestic political use of 'timelines' in the US has resulted in a falling out with the Iraqi admin as they cant be seen to be being ordered about & given ultimatums by the US.

It seems that some in the admin failed to predict this, ..., which is worrying.

six6ftr · 10-30-2006, 10:52 AM

I think that without time lines we will be in a permanent babysitting job which is wearing thin on the military. As a Unit Retention NCO, I hear the complaints on a regular basis from the troops.