Okay, I'll admit it...CNN is looking pretty liberal

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Well if Bush won favor with the people by portraying himself as simple minded, then, in effect, Kerry was penalized for appearing too smart.

Because you can't be smart and simple minded?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I dont recall kerry ever being attacked for being "too smart" what the fuck is that? Too elite yes, he was attacked for that because he's an elitist. Being an elitist has nothing to do with being smart or vice versa.

Well, he was. He was framed as being too smart, too complex, too unwilling to make a decision and stick with it because all of his positions were so nuanced based on various conditions that might change and whatnot..

He was too "high society", while Bush was "one of the guys"..

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Big tent? The same big tent that shits all over guys like lieberman? That goes all out to get names of good prominent democrats taken off the ballot, forced out of politics or forced into another party? That big tent party? The democrats have been hijacked by the far left, they're no big tent party, they're a tow the party line or get railroaded party.

Lieberman deserves to be shit on because he has sold out the party time and time again when he was needed.

Because he's enabled Bush and the GOP on all of the key issues, and regardless of his final votes, he only signed on to the Democratic end of it when it finally became politically unviable for him to continue on the path he was.

I'm talking about Iraq, Social Security Privatization, Torture, and so on and so forth.. His votes don't matter if he is never part of the Democratic solution until it's politically convenient to hop on board and try to take some credit.

Lieberman is the prime example of someone favoring positions for political expediency instead of principled stands on issues.. and I'm hoping that in spite of the massive amount of money the GOP are pouring into his campaign, the people of CT will hold him to his promise of 3 terms.

Democrats have been hijacked by people with a sack, finally. They're no longer taking things lying down like they have for the last 5 years, and people are pushing each other out of the way to get under the big tent while the gettin is good.

[JaJae]

Getting a little more on topic. Juan Williams from NPR has said that CNN is in the tank for the Democrats:

O'REILLY: ... But the bigger picture is that Lynne Cheney asserts that CNN, in its election coverage, Juan, is in the tank for the Democrats. You buying that?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. I think that's true.

O'REILLY: (surprised) Do you really?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. I think that they are counter-programming Fox, is what it looks like to me.

O'REILLY: Well, no. MSNBC is doing that.

WILLIAMS: Well -

O'REILLY: You think that CNN's in the tank for the Democrats?

WILLIAMS: Well, I think that "Broken Government" program that Lynne Cheney was talking about - You know, Lynne Cheney made a really strong point when she said, "You know, the economy's doing pretty good. Where's this broken?" I have problems with this administration - look - in terms of American democracy. I don't know. It looks to me, though, that they are becoming more and more partisan. And that's what they think we do here at Fox.

[SICKGUY]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Yes, but when a news media outlet endorses a party and slams another repeatedly, they're choosing sides. Fox isn't even that biased. They don't run specials called "Broken Party" and point out the fact that the Democrats haven't done anything in the past six years.

There are people who subscribe to both parties and have their own reasons for it. CNN's job is to report the news, not blatantly persuade people to vote for a particular party they endorse.

there is a good reason the dems have been able to do much in the past 6 years, its called the republican congress.

i never watch any of the news channels, so i cant really say whether or not they are really biased. i do read the websites though, and for the most part, most of the stories on msnbc.com, cnn.com, yahoo! news, and google news all seem to be pretty much the same. the most obvious liberal slant i subscribe to reading is rolling stone. there is no doubt that rolling stone is a liberal magazine, and while i think the articles are pretty good, i would never quote them on here.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

there is a good reason the dems have been able to do much in the past 6 years, its called the republican congress.

i never watch any of the news channels, so i cant really say whether or not they are really biased. i do read the websites though, and for the most part, most of the stories on msnbc.com, cnn.com, yahoo! news, and google news all seem to be pretty much the same. the most obvious liberal slant i subscribe to reading is rolling stone. there is no doubt that rolling stone is a liberal magazine, and while i think the articles are pretty good, i would never quote them on here.

The Republican Congress has not prevented the Democrats from coming up with solutions and presenting them to the American populace. The Democratic party has become a party of slander and obstruction. That is not the fault of the Republican Congress. The minority party always takes the obstruction role, but over the past 6 years the Democrats have taken it to a new unprecedented level that can only be described as embarrassing to the party.

Hopefully when they take some power back this week things will begin to change from them. Because as of now they're no better than the GOP. And in my opinion the GOP is doing a real shitty job...

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The Republican Congress has not prevented the Democrats from coming up with solutions and presenting them to the American populace. The Democratic party has become a party of slander and obstruction. That is not the fault of the Republican Congress. The minority party always takes the obstruction role, but over the past 6 years the Democrats have taken it to a new unprecedented level that can only be described as embarrassing to the party.

What have they obstructed?
Please start naming all these things so i can write them down.
All I have seen is them kowtowing to the right so as not to be labeled a terrorist lover.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Hopefully when they take some power back this week things will begin to change from them. Because as of now they're no better than the GOP. And in my opinion the GOP is doing a real shitty job...

Yet I never see you post a thread that speaks badly about the GOP. It's always "Liberals" this and "Democrats" that.

Maybe that will change this week as well?

[motivez]

Juan Williams from Fox

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[motivez]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The Republican Congress has not prevented the Democrats from coming up with solutions and presenting them to the American populace. The Democratic party has become a party of slander and obstruction. That is not the fault of the Republican Congress. The minority party always takes the obstruction role, but over the past 6 years the Democrats have taken it to a new unprecedented level that can only be described as embarrassing to the party.

Hopefully when they take some power back this week things will begin to change from them. Because as of now they're no better than the GOP. And in my opinion the GOP is doing a real shitty job...

Again, what's wrong with obstructing the horrible policies and incompetency of the Republican rubber stamp Congress? If anything, I think they should have done more.

The Republican party has been taken over by religious extremists who want to force their moral agenda on the rest of the country.. I'd hope that any party that really loves the values this country was founded on would obstruct almost everything that extremist wing would be trying to do.

Hopefully when they take back some power, the Republicans will do some soul searching and get back to being about small government and conservative principles.. ie: government staying out of peoples personal lives when it comes to things like gay marriage, etc.. as well as fiscal responsibility.

It's pretty pathetic when the "liberal" party is the party of fiscal conservatism.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Again, what's wrong with obstructing the horrible policies and incompetency of the Republican rubber stamp Congress? If anything, I think they should have done more.

Again, nothing is wrong with obstruction. But obstruction for the sake of obstructing without offering any alternatives or solutions for the past 6 years is absurd.

You can say the Republicans have been taken over by religious extremists, but I think it's more truthful that the Democrats have been taken over by the far left.

Just because Republicans are against gay marriage doesn't mean they're taken over by religious extremists. The vast majority of states they represent are also against gay marriage. The vast majority of Democratic voters do not share the ideals of the extreme fringes of the Democratic party.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

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He's not just from Fox. He's a political consultant/contributor on Fox as well as other stations and newspapers. He's far more recognized and his full time job is with NPR.

Anne Coulter is listed as a Fox News contributor. That doesn't mean she isn't a columnist and author. Correcting me by saying Juan Williams is from Fox as if saying he's from NPR is wrong is a bit extreme. Juan Williams has always been considered a liberal. The left blogopshere has been calling him a sellout since he started appearing on Fox News, but his ideology just isn't as extreme as the liberal blogosphere.

NPR and Fox News commentator Juan Williams is a certified liberal – so liberal some have called him the black Alan Colmes, the liberal half of Fox's Hannity and Colmes. When he writes a book you'd expect the liberal media to fall all over each other to be the first to review his book and have him as a guest on network radio and TV.

[motivez]

They've offered alternatives, and I covered that in other posts. They're just no good at catering to the lowest common denominator like the Republicans are.

They aren't great at breaking it into soundbytes that are easy for stupid people to consume because they see the world in a more nuanced fashion.

[motivez]

It's not appearing on Fox that's an issue, it's that his brand of 'liberalism' is the same brand of 'liberalism' that's generic to .. ie, Colmes.. etc.

I've yet to really see him take a stand for any liberal issue, so I see him as being pretty spineless. I think that's where the dislike comes in.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

They've offered alternatives, and I covered that in other posts. They're just no good at catering to the lowest common denominator like the Republicans are.

They aren't great at breaking it into soundbytes that are easy for stupid people to consume because they see the world in a more nuanced fashion.

I wasn't aware you thought liberals were so more intelligent than conservatives. That's an interesting perspective to have. I think it's kind of elitist though and you should be careful when you start thinking in that mentality.

Are all these anti-Bush, GOP, Iraq, environment, economy soundbytes a figment of my imagination?

I can quote some common Democratic soundbites:

Forget that they've bungled the Iraq war.
Forget that America is less safe because of that bungling.
Forget that they've left Afghanistan in a degrading state.
Forget that their incompetence allowed Osama escape.
Forget that they haven't secured the borders.
Forget that they haven't secured the ports.
Forget that though the terrorists hate us for our freedom
Forget that they've shit all over the Constitution time and time again to increase their own power.

Seems like these are very easy for stupid people to consume, no?

[motivez]

I'm not talking about liberals vs conservatives, I'm talking about the majority of Americans who are stupid when it comes to politics.

Republicans are much better at breaking their message down into soundbytes for those types of people, who quite frankly, are stupid. They're too stupid to sit down and take the time to learn about issues and only care about how easy it is to remember this phrase or that.

And I'm sorry, but yeah, Democrats do see the world in a more nuanced fashion. Republicans [generally speaking about the current crop, of course] see the world in black and white, good and evil, right and wrong, us and them, and so on and so forth.

Democrats and Independents generally see much more gray area than that, which is why they've been losing.. because nuance and having to think isn't as sexy or easy to sell. I thought that was fairly obvious?

[motivez]

Just because the Democratic party sucks at breaking it down for the voting public doesn't mean I do as well.

PS, although that was a great post that plainly illustrates the failures of the Republican party I'm not a Democrat.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm not talking about liberals vs conservatives, I'm talking about the majority of Americans who are stupid when it comes to politics.

Republicans are much better at breaking their message down into soundbytes for those types of people, who quite frankly, are stupid. They're too stupid to sit down and take the time to learn about issues and only care about how easy it is to remember this phrase or that.

And I'm sorry, but yeah, Democrats do see the world in a more nuanced fashion. Republicans [generally speaking about the current crop, of course] see the world in black and white, good and evil, right and wrong, us and them, and so on and so forth.

Democrats and Independents generally see much more gray area than that, which is why they've been losing.. because nuance and having to think isn't as sexy or easy to sell. I thought that was fairly obvious?

Seeing gray or inventing gray doesn't always make you more sensible. In fact, a lot of times it diverts you from the real problem.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

Just because the Democratic party sucks at breaking it down for the voting public doesn't mean I am.

PS, I'm not a Democrat.

All of your soundbytes though I have heard regularly in the media and from liberal pundits. I didn't call you a Democrat. I'm just saying, those statements are nothing new. I did a google search, and honestly your list was much easier for me to find, lol.