Murtha's Navy Ship

Donkey® · 04-15-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by article

Critics Slam Decision to Name Navy Ship for John Murtha
FOXNews.com

The Navy's decision to name a ship for the late Rep. John Murtha has outraged some critics who have not forgiven the Pennsylvania Democrat for accusing U.S. Marines of murdering Iraqi civilians "in cold blood" five years ago.

The Navy's decision to name a ship for the late Rep. John Murtha has outraged some critics who have not forgiven the Pennsylvania Democrat for accusing U.S. Marines of murdering Iraqi civilians "in cold blood" five years ago.

The Navy is naming its newest San Antonio-class amphibious transport-dock LPD 26 for Murtha, the powerful chairman of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee who became an outspoken and influential critic of the Iraq war.

Murtha died in February at age 77 after complications from gallbladder surgery.

San Antonio-class ships support Marines and can carry roughly 700 troops, their equipment and vehicles. They are usually named after cities; the USS Murtha will be a break from that tradition.

The Washington Times denounced the tribute to the powerful congressman, a former Marine Corps officer, in its editorial on Thursday.

"This is a slap in the face to every service member who bridled when Murtha publicly accused Marines in Iraq of intentionally killing women and children in cold blood," the editorial reads.

The newspaper said the honor shouldn't go to "a political hack whose most successful defensive maneuver was saving his pork-laden earmarks from surprise attacks of fiscal responsibility."

Another blogger wrote that it "seems oddly premature" to affix "Murtha's name to a ship while real and continuing issues of ethics violations and abuses of power remain fresh in the collective memory."

In February, the House ethics panel cleared Murtha in an investigation of his role in awarding defense contracts to a firm led by a former aide.

Murtha served in Korea and received a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts for his service in Vietnam. In 1974 he became the first Vietnam War combat veteran elected to Congress and went on to serve his Pennsylvania district for 18 terms.

But the Navy's decision to honor him has become the focus of controversy because of his criticism of the Iraq war.

In 2002, Murtha voted to authorize President George W. Bush to use military force in Iraq, but his growing frustration over the administration's handling of the war prompted him in November 2005 to call for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops.

His criticism of the Iraq war intensified in 2005, when he accused Marines of murdering Iraqi civilians "in cold blood" in Haditha after a Marine died and two were wounded by a roadside bomb.

Charges against six of the Marines have been dropped, and one Marine was acquitted. The last Marine, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, will stand military trial in September on reduced charges of voluntary manslaughter in nine of the 24 deaths and other crimes. Wuterich was originally charged with shooting 17 Iraqi civilians.

Critics said Murtha unfairly held the Marines responsible before an investigation was concluded and fueled enemy retaliation. He said that the war couldn't be won militarily and that such incidents dimmed the prospect for a political solution.

Murtha, nicknamed "The King of Pork," also faced scrutiny for earmarking federal dollars for projects in his district.

While critics object, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, who announced the tribute, made clear in a statement following Murtha's death in February that the congressman was respected at the Pentagon.

"Both in uniform and in the halls of Congress, Chairman Murtha dedicated his life to serving his country both in the Marine Corps and Congress. His unwavering support of our sailors and Marines, and in particular our wounded warriors, was well known and deeply appreciated," Mabus said.

A senior Republican congressional aide told FoxNews.com that it's doubtful much criticism will emerge from Capitol Hill.

"In the past, whenever the Navy decides to name a ship after someone, especially a former member of Congress, generally there's not that much pushback," the aide said.

Haters unite.

Personally, I think he's done enough for the military to get this honor.

Dibble07 · 04-15-2010, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Haters unite.

Personally, I think he's done enough for the military to get this honor.

I wouldn't be surprised if they name our next Air Craft Carrier U.S.S. Obama...

wanna be drummer · 04-15-2010, 03:01 PM

Good for the Navy. Personally I think we should make another SS George Meade for what he did at Gettysburg and the fact that I'm related to him is totally unrelated to my feelings

Mr. Amazing · 04-15-2010, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dibble07

I wouldn't be surprised if they name our next Air Craft Carrier U.S.S. Obama...

Nah, that'll be after he's dead.

Mr. Amazing · 04-15-2010, 03:22 PM

I can't believe people whine about the names of ships. Just because they're BREAKING TRADITION and naming it after a dude rather than a city, and they don't happen to like the dude. I think it's good that they're naming it after him. He did serve in the military, which, in my opinion, is plenty enough to get something named after you. And I don't think he disrespected marines by charging a small group with killing citizens "in cold blood". It doesn't mean that he holds the entire military responsible, and there is a chance that one or more of the marines actually commited that crime, as the article mentions that one is still awaiting trial. I think this is a case of:
SHUT UP AND STOP WHINING!

kinggovernor · 04-15-2010, 04:12 PM

he is a shitbag and his name should be removed from all public places

DosEquis · 04-15-2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

he is a shitbag and his name should be removed from all public places

??

Though a navy ship called the USS Shitbag would be kinda funny.

Scrum · 04-15-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

he is a shitbag and his name should be removed from all public places

Why do you hate our troops?

Donkey® · 04-15-2010, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

he is a shitbag and his name should be removed from all public places

Would you like to compare his military record to Ronald Reagans?

kinggovernor · 04-16-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Why do you hate our troops?

Why would you post something so stupid?

kinggovernor · 04-16-2010, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Would you like to compare his military record to Ronald Reagans?

this isn't about Murtha's service record, but nice try

Donkey® · 04-16-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

this isn't about Murtha's service record, but nice try

If it isn't about his service record, what else are you trying to judge him by? I mean, his service record is what counts...not what he may have said 40 years later.

kinggovernor · 04-16-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

If it isn't about his service record, what else are you trying to judge him by? I mean, his service record is what counts...not what he may have said 40 years later.

If that were the case then why don't these Marines have ships named after them:

ANDERSON, JAMES, JR. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 2d Platoon, Company F, 2d Battalion, 3d Marines, 3d Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 28 February 1967.
ANDERSON, RICHARD A. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 24 August 1969.
AUSTIN, OSCAR P. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division, (Rein), FMF., West of Da Nang, Republic of Vietnam, 23 February 1969.
BARKER, JEDH COLBY (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near Con Thein, Republic of Vietnam, 21 September 1967.
BARNUM, HARVEY C., IR., Captain (then Lt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein)., Ky Phu in Quang Tin Province, Republic of Vietnam, 18 December 1965.
BOBO, JOHN P. (posthumous), Second Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, 3d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 30 March 1967.
BRUCE, DANIEL D. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Headquarters and Service Company, 3d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Fire Support Base Tomahawk, Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 1 March 1969.
BURKE, ROBERT C. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 27th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Southern Quang Nam Province Republic of Vietnam, 17 May 1968.
CARTER, BRUCE W. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 3d Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 7 August 1969.
CLAUSEN, RAYMOND M., Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 263, Marine Aircraft Croup 16, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing., Republic of Vietnam, 31 January 1970.
COKER, RONALD L. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 24 March 1969.
CONNOR, PETER S. (posthumous), Staff Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 3d Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Nag Province, Republic of Vietnam, 25 February 1966.
COOK, DONALD GILBERT (posthumous), Colonel, United States Marine Corps, Prisoner of War by the Viet Cong in the Republic of Vietnam., Vietnam, 31 December 1964 to 8 December, 1967.
CREEK, THOMAS E. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine` Corps, Company I, 3d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near Cam Lo, Republic of Vietnam, 13 February. 1969.
DAVIS, RODNEY MAXWELL (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company B, 1st Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 6 September 1967.
DE LA GARZA, EMILIO A., JR. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Near Da Nang, Republic of Vietnam, 11 April 1970.
DIAS, RALPH E. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Platoon, Company D, 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein) FMF., Que Son Mountains, Republic of Vietnam, 12 November 1969.
DICKEY, DOUGLAS E. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company C, 1st Battalion, 4th Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade, 3d Marine Division (Rein), Republic of Vietnam, 26 March 1967.
FOSTER, PAUL HELLSTROM (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Near Con Thien, Republic of Vietnam, 14 October 1967.
FOX, WESLEY L., Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 22 February 1969.
GONZALEZ, ALFREDO (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near Thua Thien, Republic of Vietnam, 4 February 1968.
GRAHAM, JAMES A. (posthumous), Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 2 June 1967.
GRAVES, TERRENCE COLLINSON (posthumous), Second Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Force Reconnaissance Company, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 16 February 1968.
HOWARD, JIMMIE E., Gunnery Sergeant (then S/Sgt.) U.S. Marine Corps, Company C, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 16 June 1966.
HOWE, JAMES D. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company I, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 6 May 1970.
JENKINS, ROBERT H., JR. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Fire Support Base Argonne, Republic of Vietnam, 5 March 1969.
JIMENEZ, JOSE FRANCISCO (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 28 August 1969.
JOHNSON, RALPH H. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near the Quan Duc Valley, Republic of Vietnam, 5 March 1968.
KEITH, MIGUEL (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Combined Action platoon 1-3-2, 111 Marine Amphibious Force., Quang Ngai province, Republic of Vietnam, 8 May 1970.
KELLOGG, ALLAN JAY, JR., Gunnery Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps (then S/Sgt.), Company G, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam province, Republic of Vietnam, 11 March 1970.
LEE, HOWARD V., Major, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein)., Near Cam Lo, Republic of Vietnam, 8 and 9 August 1966.
LIVINGSTON, JAMES E., Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade., Dai Do, Republic of Vietnam, 2 May 1968.
MARTINI, GARY W. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Binh Son, Republic of Vietnam, 21 April 1967.
MAXAM, LARRY LEONARD (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company D, 1st Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Cam Lo District, Quang Tri province, Republic of Vietnam, 2 February 1968.
McGINTY, JOHN J. III, Second Lieutenant (then S/Sgt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division, Fleet Marine Force., Republic of Vietnam, 18 July 1966.
MODRZEJEWSKI, ROBERT J., Major (then Capt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division, FMF., Republic of Vietnam, 15 to 18 July 1966.
MORGAN, WILLIAM D. (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps. Company H, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 25 February 1969.
NEWLIN, MELVIN EARL (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 4 July 1967.
NOONAN, THOMAS P., JR. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company G, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Near Vandergrift Combat Base, A Shau Valley, Republic of Vietnam, 5 February 1969.
O'MALLEY, ROBERT E., Sergeant (then Cpl.), U .S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 3d Marine Regiment, 3d Marine Division (Rein)., Near An Cu'ong 2, South Vietnam, 18 August 1965.
PAUL, JOE C. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines (Rein), 3d Marine Division (Rein)., near Chu Lai, Republic of Vietnam, 18 August 1965.
PERKINS, WILLIAM THOMAS, JR. (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company C, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 12 October 1967.
PETERS, LAWRENCE DAVID (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Tin Province, Republic of Vietnam, 4 September 1967.
PHIPPS, JIMMY W. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company B, 1st Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near An Hoa, Republic of Vietnam, 27 May 1969.
PITTMAN, RICHARD A., Sergeant (then L/Cpl.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein) FMF., near the Demilitarized Zone, Republic of Vietnam, 24 July 1966.
PLESS, STEPHEN W., Major (then Capt.), U.S. Marine Corps, VMD-6, Mag-36, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing., Near Quang Nai, Republic of Vietnam, 19 August 1967.
PROM, WILLIAM R. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 3d Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near An Hoa, Republic of Vietnam. 9 February 1969.
REASONER, FRANK S. (posthumous), First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division., near Da Nang, Republic of Vietnam, 12 July 1965.
SINGLETON, WALTER K. (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Gio Linh District, Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 24 March 1967.
SMEDLEY, LARRY E. (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company D, 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 21 December 1967.
TAYLOR, KARL G., SR. (posthumous), Staff Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 26th Marine Regiment, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Republic of Vietnam, 8 December 1968.
VARGAS, M. SANDO, JR., Major (then Capt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company G, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade., Dai Do, Republic of Vietnam, 30 April to 2 May 1968.
WEBER, LESTER W. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 23 February 1969.
WHEAT, ROY M. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 7th Marine, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 11 August 1967
WILLIAMS, DEWAYNE T. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 18 September 1968.
WILSON, ALFRED M. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 3 March 1969.
WORLEY, KENNETH L. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Bo Ban, Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 12 August 1968

Donkey® · 04-16-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

If that were the case then why don't these Marines have ships named after them:

ANDERSON, JAMES, JR. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 2d Platoon, Company F, 2d Battalion, 3d Marines, 3d Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 28 February 1967.
ANDERSON, RICHARD A. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 24 August 1969.
AUSTIN, OSCAR P. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division, (Rein), FMF., West of Da Nang, Republic of Vietnam, 23 February 1969.
BARKER, JEDH COLBY (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near Con Thein, Republic of Vietnam, 21 September 1967.
BARNUM, HARVEY C., IR., Captain (then Lt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein)., Ky Phu in Quang Tin Province, Republic of Vietnam, 18 December 1965.
BOBO, JOHN P. (posthumous), Second Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, 3d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 30 March 1967.
BRUCE, DANIEL D. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Headquarters and Service Company, 3d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Fire Support Base Tomahawk, Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 1 March 1969.
BURKE, ROBERT C. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 27th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Southern Quang Nam Province Republic of Vietnam, 17 May 1968.
CARTER, BRUCE W. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 3d Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 7 August 1969.
CLAUSEN, RAYMOND M., Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 263, Marine Aircraft Croup 16, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing., Republic of Vietnam, 31 January 1970.
COKER, RONALD L. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 24 March 1969.
CONNOR, PETER S. (posthumous), Staff Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 3d Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Nag Province, Republic of Vietnam, 25 February 1966.
COOK, DONALD GILBERT (posthumous), Colonel, United States Marine Corps, Prisoner of War by the Viet Cong in the Republic of Vietnam., Vietnam, 31 December 1964 to 8 December, 1967.
CREEK, THOMAS E. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine` Corps, Company I, 3d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near Cam Lo, Republic of Vietnam, 13 February. 1969.
DAVIS, RODNEY MAXWELL (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company B, 1st Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 6 September 1967.
DE LA GARZA, EMILIO A., JR. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Near Da Nang, Republic of Vietnam, 11 April 1970.
DIAS, RALPH E. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Platoon, Company D, 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein) FMF., Que Son Mountains, Republic of Vietnam, 12 November 1969.
DICKEY, DOUGLAS E. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company C, 1st Battalion, 4th Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade, 3d Marine Division (Rein), Republic of Vietnam, 26 March 1967.
FOSTER, PAUL HELLSTROM (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Near Con Thien, Republic of Vietnam, 14 October 1967.
FOX, WESLEY L., Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 22 February 1969.
GONZALEZ, ALFREDO (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near Thua Thien, Republic of Vietnam, 4 February 1968.
GRAHAM, JAMES A. (posthumous), Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 2 June 1967.
GRAVES, TERRENCE COLLINSON (posthumous), Second Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Force Reconnaissance Company, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 16 February 1968.
HOWARD, JIMMIE E., Gunnery Sergeant (then S/Sgt.) U.S. Marine Corps, Company C, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 16 June 1966.
HOWE, JAMES D. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company I, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 6 May 1970.
JENKINS, ROBERT H., JR. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Fire Support Base Argonne, Republic of Vietnam, 5 March 1969.
JIMENEZ, JOSE FRANCISCO (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 28 August 1969.
JOHNSON, RALPH H. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near the Quan Duc Valley, Republic of Vietnam, 5 March 1968.
KEITH, MIGUEL (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Combined Action platoon 1-3-2, 111 Marine Amphibious Force., Quang Ngai province, Republic of Vietnam, 8 May 1970.
KELLOGG, ALLAN JAY, JR., Gunnery Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps (then S/Sgt.), Company G, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam province, Republic of Vietnam, 11 March 1970.
LEE, HOWARD V., Major, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein)., Near Cam Lo, Republic of Vietnam, 8 and 9 August 1966.
LIVINGSTON, JAMES E., Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, Company E, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade., Dai Do, Republic of Vietnam, 2 May 1968.
MARTINI, GARY W. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Binh Son, Republic of Vietnam, 21 April 1967.
MAXAM, LARRY LEONARD (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company D, 1st Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Cam Lo District, Quang Tri province, Republic of Vietnam, 2 February 1968.
McGINTY, JOHN J. III, Second Lieutenant (then S/Sgt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division, Fleet Marine Force., Republic of Vietnam, 18 July 1966.
MODRZEJEWSKI, ROBERT J., Major (then Capt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 4th Marines, 3d Marine Division, FMF., Republic of Vietnam, 15 to 18 July 1966.
MORGAN, WILLIAM D. (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps. Company H, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 25 February 1969.
NEWLIN, MELVIN EARL (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 4 July 1967.
NOONAN, THOMAS P., JR. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company G, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Near Vandergrift Combat Base, A Shau Valley, Republic of Vietnam, 5 February 1969.
O'MALLEY, ROBERT E., Sergeant (then Cpl.), U .S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 3d Marine Regiment, 3d Marine Division (Rein)., Near An Cu'ong 2, South Vietnam, 18 August 1965.
PAUL, JOE C. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines (Rein), 3d Marine Division (Rein)., near Chu Lai, Republic of Vietnam, 18 August 1965.
PERKINS, WILLIAM THOMAS, JR. (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company C, 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 12 October 1967.
PETERS, LAWRENCE DAVID (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Tin Province, Republic of Vietnam, 4 September 1967.
PHIPPS, JIMMY W. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company B, 1st Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near An Hoa, Republic of Vietnam, 27 May 1969.
PITTMAN, RICHARD A., Sergeant (then L/Cpl.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein) FMF., near the Demilitarized Zone, Republic of Vietnam, 24 July 1966.
PLESS, STEPHEN W., Major (then Capt.), U.S. Marine Corps, VMD-6, Mag-36, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing., Near Quang Nai, Republic of Vietnam, 19 August 1967.
PROM, WILLIAM R. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 3d Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Near An Hoa, Republic of Vietnam. 9 February 1969.
REASONER, FRANK S. (posthumous), First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 3d Reconnaissance Battalion, 3d Marine Division., near Da Nang, Republic of Vietnam, 12 July 1965.
SINGLETON, WALTER K. (posthumous), Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company A, 1st Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Gio Linh District, Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 24 March 1967.
SMEDLEY, LARRY E. (posthumous), Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company D, 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 21 December 1967.
TAYLOR, KARL G., SR. (posthumous), Staff Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, Company 1, 3d Battalion, 26th Marine Regiment, 3d Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Republic of Vietnam, 8 December 1968.
VARGAS, M. SANDO, JR., Major (then Capt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company G, 2d Battalion, 4th Marines, 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade., Dai Do, Republic of Vietnam, 30 April to 2 May 1968.
WEBER, LESTER W. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 23 February 1969.
WHEAT, ROY M. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, Company K, 3d Battalion, 7th Marine, 1st Marine Division., Republic of Vietnam, 11 August 1967
WILLIAMS, DEWAYNE T. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division., Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 18 September 1968.
WILSON, ALFRED M. (posthumous), Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company M, 3d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division., Quang Tri Province, Republic of Vietnam, 3 March 1969.
WORLEY, KENNETH L. (posthumous), Lance Corporal, U.S. Marine Corps, 3d Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division (Rein), FMF., Bo Ban, Quang Nam Province, Republic of Vietnam, 12 August 1968

Oh the "hey these guys died" defense. You'll have to ask the people that actually do the naming. It isn't MY criteria.

kinggovernor · 04-16-2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Oh the "hey these guys died" defense. You'll have to ask the people that actually do the naming. It isn't MY criteria.

you think that was a list of Marines who died?

Donkey® · 04-16-2010, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

you think that was a list of Marines who died?

Usually the word "posthumous" means they are dead...yes.

JaJae · 04-16-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Usually the word "posthumous" means they are dead...yes.

They're not all dead. You suggested service is what matters. He gave you a list of some of the most honorable men to serve in our military, not a list of dead people.

Donkey® · 04-16-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

They're not all dead. You suggested service is what matters. He gave you a list of some of the most honorable men to serve in our military, not a list of dead people.

Most were showing dead.

Anyway, what's the point with this argument? Murtha's record matches up to others who have had this same honor.

kinggovernor · 04-16-2010, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Usually the word "posthumous" means they are dead...yes.

Donkey® · 04-17-2010, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

Posthumous recognition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by article

A posthumous recognition is a ceremonial award given after the recipient has died, usually in honor of an action associated with his or her death.
Awards are normally given while the recipient is alive, but when awarded after death, the award is referred to as having been "made posthumously". Some awards are given only after the death of the recipient, and thus are by definition a posthumous recognition. Conversely, some awards, such as some Nobel Prizes, and most knighthoods, cannot be awarded posthumously.

I don't know how much simpler I can make this for you.
All that aside...what's your point with this?