Great video on iraq! - Page 2

6SpeedTA95 · 10-31-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

haha. how can you even call cnn "the liberal media" when they produce that sort of crap. come on, 30 assasination attempts, daily attacks on his home, and his son kidnapped from school? does that really sound like a place you would want to call home?

CNN didn't produce, glenn beck did for his show on headline news

motivez · 10-31-2006, 03:31 PM

..which is hosted by which cable news station again?

6SpeedTA95 · 10-31-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Ouch.

Uhh, with thousands of Iraqi's dying every month due to the violence, and now over 100 Americans dying this month.. you think the level of violence is small?

The major cities are the major population centers, so if we follow the logic of the reasoning in your post, then the major population centers are riddled with 'badness', thus most of the population of Iraq is suffering from that 'badness'.

That's just math.

Of course the media loves sensationalism, but do you really think they're making up reports about bombings and whatnot?

When you have 74 Iraqi's die as well as 6 or 7 American soldiers in a day, how do you "sensationalize" that any more than it already is?

Good post

The media has been caught with their pants down several times in the Israel/Lebanon/Palestine ordeal so it wouldn't surprise me to find out there is also a lot of fabrication going on in Iraq.

motivez · 10-31-2006, 03:34 PM

In what way exactly?

103 Americans have died this month in Iraq. One of the highest American death counts since the war began.. if not the highest. I don't know off hand.

In terms of bodies being reported? Or "fake bombings"? I doubt it..

6SpeedTA95 · 10-31-2006, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

In what way exactly?

103 Americans have died this month in Iraq. One of the highest American death counts since the war began.. if not the highest. I don't know off hand.

In terms of bodies being reported? Or "fake bombings"? I doubt it..

In what way? The same way they altered and fabricated reports with regard to the Israel stuff...I never said they were for sure doing this, just that it wouldn't be surprising or difficult.

theophrastusbombastus · 10-31-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It was a simple question. Settle down Nancy.

It was not a "simple" question, it was asked in that way to deliberately put the answerer on the defensive. It is a fine example of conversational positioning.

motivez · 10-31-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

In what way? The same way they altered and fabricated reports with regard to the Israel stuff...I never said they were for sure doing this, just that it wouldn't be surprising or difficult.

But there's no evidence of it, so the insinuation that things are going swimmingly or something but there's a bunch of fake reports about bombing is baseless.

motivez · 10-31-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by theophrastusbombastus

It was not a "simple" question, it was asked in that way to deliberately put the answerer on the defensive. It is a fine example of conversational positioning.

Agreed. Welcome to the forum!

6SpeedTA95 · 10-31-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

But there's no evidence of it, so the insinuation that things are going swimmingly or something but there's a bunch of fake reports about bombing is baseless.

I dont think things are goin well but the possiblity of being slanted in reporting seems likely to me thats all I'm saying

motivez · 10-31-2006, 03:55 PM

Slanting is different than outright fabrication though.

6SpeedTA95 · 10-31-2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by theophrastusbombastus

It was not a "simple" question, it was asked in that way to deliberately put the answerer on the defensive. It is a fine example of conversational positioning.

wtfname.jpg

Welcome to the board...

and BTW conversational positioning can be a good tool

ballz2wallz · 10-31-2006, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

and BTW conversational positioning can be a good tool

Isn't that what political debate is about?

AVengeance · 10-31-2006, 04:01 PM

great, we're vaccinating, feeding, clothing, housing, and educating the world's future terror machine. Way to go USA.

KatKanPlay · 10-31-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Except the bad is working to undermine all that good happening. IT's pretty darned hard to rebuild a country when terrorists are trying to tear it up. If it weren't for that factoer, there'd be a lot more drinking water than there would've been a year ago.

Where did the terrorists come from? They didnt used to be there.

ballz2wallz · 11-01-2006, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Where did the terrorists come from? They didnt used to be there.

They flocked in from around the world.

KatKanPlay · 11-01-2006, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

They flocked in from around the world.

Yeah, well there you go. They flocked in because our actions opened the gates for them. But more importantly, I dont think we have the right to refer to all that are fighting against over there as Terrorists! It seems to be the norm these days that we are over there fighting Terrorists and that simply is not true.

ballz2wallz · 11-01-2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

Yeah, well there you go. They flocked in because our actions opened the gates for them. But more importantly, I dont think we have the right to refer to all that are fighting against over there as Terrorists! It seems to be the norm these days that we are over there fighting Terrorists and that simply is not true.

Isn't that the point? Keep them over there.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-01-2006, 05:32 PM

I wish I had seen this sooner.

Mark my words, in another couple years when Iraq is even further in the toilet and it's even more obvious how bad things are and will be, this video will be seen by all for the pure propaganda piece it is.

Someone will post a link of it, with its cherry picked statistics about polio vaccines and little children's eyes, with its soft piano music in the background, and it will seem utterly absurd, as if it didn't already...

6SpeedTA95 · 11-01-2006, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I wish I had seen this sooner.

Mark my words, in another couple years when Iraq is even further in the toilet and it's even more obvious how bad things are and will be, this video will be seen by all for the pure propaganda piece it is.

Someone will post a link of it, with its cherry picked statistics about polio vaccines and little children's eyes, with its soft piano music in the background, and it will seem utterly absurd, as if it didn't already...

Pointing out good things is propaganda but only covering the negative aspects is ok?

nice.

KatKanPlay · 11-01-2006, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Isn't that the point? Keep them over there.

I dont believe I heard that in the list of reasons to declare war in Iraq? So this whole time the plan was to lure the terrorists into Iraq so we could build a big fence and trap them all in? Damn, so that was the plan?? Why is this the first I have heard of it??? Couldnt we have done the same thing in Afghanistan?? Oh,,, that is right, the OIL,,,,,,,,