Great video on iraq!
YouTube - Glenn Beck Tells The True Iraq Story I thought it was good to see some of the good. YouTube Video ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed....
YouTube - Glenn Beck Tells The True Iraq Story I thought it was good to see some of the good. YouTube Video ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed....
10-30-2006, 08:56 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma 
| Great video on iraq! YouTube - Glenn Beck Tells The True Iraq Story I thought it was good to see some of the good.
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10-31-2006, 02:22 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Way to go Beck | ||||
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10-31-2006, 02:25 AM
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| where the porn at?  Realist Englewood, CO
| haha. how can you even call cnn "the liberal media" when they produce that sort of crap. come on, 30 assasination attempts, daily attacks on his home, and his son kidnapped from school? does that really sound like a place you would want to call home? | ||||
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10-31-2006, 02:28 AM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| Great to see some of the good that's going on over there, but put into perspective, they're unfortunately very small and meaningless accomplishments. You might be vaccinating kids against polio, but when they don't have access to clean drinking water or sewage facilities, what good does it do? They might have built schools and given them text books, but if they're getting blown up on the way to school because of the civil war that we failed to prevent, how is it doing them any good? And I like how they tout 25% of women are in the Government, but under secular Saddam woman had more rights than they do now or that they're likely to have in the future, many studies have shown that Iraq is now worse for women than it was under Saddam.  So, again, I think this debate is all about perspective. It's not that people don't care about what accomplishments there have been, just that the bad heavily outweighs the good to such a degree that it's almost laughable to tout them as some sort of "counter" to what's really going on over there, like the ad says.. "some of that might be true....." | ||||
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10-31-2006, 02:30 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by SICKGUY Glenn Beck is an opinion show. Almost all the big stations have a conservative voice on an opinion show. That doesn't make their stations centrist or conservative. 
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10-31-2006, 03:48 AM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
| Except the bad is working to undermine all that good happening. IT's pretty darned hard to rebuild a country when terrorists are trying to tear it up. If it weren't for that factoer, there'd be a lot more drinking water than there would've been a year ago. | ||||
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10-31-2006, 09:05 AM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by motivez I think you have it backwards. It's the attrocities that are actually small over there. Only the major cities (and really, how many 'major cities' are in Iraq?) are ridden with the badness. The rest of the country is prospering. Don't forget, the media loves sensationalism; why would they get news stories from the good parts of Iraq when you have a few war zones with blood and guts to get on tape?
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10-31-2006, 09:33 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Is this a fucking joke?
We gave up on an entire region of Iraq because we couldn't control the violence there. | ||||
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10-31-2006, 09:40 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent An 'entire region' huh? What exactly is 'an entire region'?
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10-31-2006, 09:50 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Perhaps you have heard of the Anbar province?
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10-31-2006, 09:51 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent You mean 1/18th of Iraq?
 Yeah, that's HUGE. | ||||
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10-31-2006, 10:00 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Perhaps you mean 1 out of 18.
It certainly isn't 1/18th, more like 1/3rd.  | ||||
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10-31-2006, 10:03 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Fallujah and Ramadi are the only reason that Anbar is so bad. It's the 'big' cities that the insurgents have taken over.
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10-31-2006, 10:09 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz And it's the whole region, as I said earlier, we have lost.
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10-31-2006, 10:09 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent That's too bad that you think so.
Is this a good thing to you? | ||||
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10-31-2006, 10:20 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Those aren't my words. I'm not making this up.
Situation Called Dire in West Iraq - washingtonpost.com Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Why must you try and put every argument in the framework?
No it's not a good thing. It may help us get the hell out of Iraq though, which is a good thing. | ||||
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10-31-2006, 10:23 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent It was a simple question. Settle down Nancy.
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10-31-2006, 10:26 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
 Everything has to come back to "don't you want us to win"? Haven't you seen how bad an argument that is? You keep trying to frame everything into that. | ||||
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10-31-2006, 01:54 PM
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| Ron Paul '08  Republican Queens, NY
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Excuse me, but I must ask again -- did you actually mean to say the word P-R-O-S-P-E-R-I-N-G?
v. pros·pered, pros·per·ing To be fortunate or successful, especially in terms of one's finances; thrive. This is laughable, and as well a pathetic assessment -- so I don't know whether to or  at calling the war-torn country of Iraq "prospering". They only have electricity 3 to 4 hours per day, and that's intermittently. Plus we spent 133 million dollars on equipping the Iraqi Police Force but we never bought them manuals, or parts and tools to service the weapons. It seems we only offered the sincerest of Iraqis a "single-serving" commitment. Last edited by Nonphixion; 10-31-2006 at 04:51 PM.. | ||||
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10-31-2006, 04:17 PM
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 Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Uhh, with thousands of Iraqi's dying every month due to the violence, and now over 100 Americans dying this month.. you think the level of violence is small?
The major cities are the major population centers, so if we follow the logic of the reasoning in your post, then the major population centers are riddled with 'badness', thus most of the population of Iraq is suffering from that 'badness'. That's just math. Of course the media loves sensationalism, but do you really think they're making up reports about bombings and whatnot? When you have 74 Iraqi's die as well as 6 or 7 American soldiers in a day, how do you "sensationalize" that any more than it already is? | ||||
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