Kerry issues full apology for anyone offended, and that he misspoke

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Vietvet

Oh, they're gonna keep milking this bullshit item for all it's worth for as long as they can. When you get Dennis Hastert climbing out of his bunker to "ring the bell" like Quasimodo, you know these guys are desperate to talk about anything but Iraq. Unfortunately for them, this whole blown-out-of-proportion incident about Kerry's remarks only reminds voters that our troops are still slogging along in Iraq with no end in sight. This just highlights what despicable liars Bush's "spinners" are.Review the entire clip of what Kerry said, and just about anyone with basic reasoning skills and a moderate measure of common sense can tell that Kerry was referring to Bush. I'm sure Bush even knows it. You can bet Rove and Tony Snowjob know it. They're using it to stir up the idiots on the religious right that they have so aptly exploited in the past. Hey, some folks can be fooled all the time. That's what Bushco is counting on, but I don't see it working this time. Not that some people can't be fooled all the time, but that enough have now wised up enough to see this fiasco for the bullshit that it is.

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by Vietvet

Oh, they're gonna keep milking this bullshit item for all it's worth for as long as they can. When you get Dennis Hastert climbing out of his bunker to "ring the bell" like Quasimodo, you know these guys are desperate to talk about anything but Iraq. Unfortunately for them, this whole blown-out-of-proportion incident about Kerry's remarks only reminds voters that our troops are still slogging along in Iraq with no end in sight. This just highlights what despicable liars Bush's "spinners" are.Review the entire clip of what Kerry said, and just about anyone with basic reasoning skills and a moderate measure of common sense can tell that Kerry was referring to Bush. I'm sure Bush even knows it. You can bet Rove and Tony Snowjob know it. They're using it to stir up the idiots on the religious right that they have so aptly exploited in the past. Hey, some folks can be fooled all the time. That's what Bushco is counting on, but I don't see it working this time. Not that some people can't be fooled all the time, but that enough have now wised up enough to see this fiasco for the bullshit that it is.

werd... there's an old saying back in texas... fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, well, fool me can't be fooled again


...or something like that

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

This is ridiculous. They do not hate the military, they hate the way the military is inappropriately used especially when the military leadership has no personnal knowledge of war.

Go read the stories from Soldiers who directly dealt with Clinton. They hated the military and didnt even bother to hide their feelings.

And obviously Kerry loves the military. Great way of showing it too, by lying to Congress saying all the Soldiers were committing warcrimes. But then he already sold out to the NVA, so the Congressional hearing wasnt that bad in comparison.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Go read the stories from Soldiers who directly dealt with Clinton. They hated the military and didnt even bother to hide their feelings.

And obviously Kerry loves the military. Great way of showing it too, by lying to Congress saying all the Soldiers were committing warcrimes. But then he already sold out to the NVA, so the Congressional hearing wasnt that bad in comparison.

[Stylerod]

As said before, Kerry has always had a hatred for the military. In his statement from 1972 he is against the draft AND against a Volunteer army. Well, what else is there? No army I guess.

In 1972, as he ran for the House, he was less apologetic in his comments about the merits of a volunteer army. He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army "a greater anathema."

"I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown," Kerry wrote. "We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply 'doing its job.'

"Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities," he wrote.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

This is ridiculous. They do not hate the military, they hate the way the military is inappropriately used especially when the military leadership has no personnal knowledge of war.

They don't? Because by their own admission...

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give.

Bill Clinton wrote a letter explaining why he was leaving the military and running off to Europe. He says he loathed the military and wanted to continue his education. He goes on to describe why he loathes the military such as disagreeing with the draft system and persecution of draft dodgers.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Well, what else is there? No army I guess.

Dont you remember ? He wanted the UN to control the military

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Vietvet

Oh, they're gonna keep milking this bullshit item for all it's worth for as long as they can. When you get Dennis Hastert climbing out of his bunker to "ring the bell" like Quasimodo, you know these guys are desperate to talk about anything but Iraq. Unfortunately for them, this whole blown-out-of-proportion incident about Kerry's remarks only reminds voters that our troops are still slogging along in Iraq with no end in sight. This just highlights what despicable liars Bush's "spinners" are.Review the entire clip of what Kerry said, and just about anyone with basic reasoning skills and a moderate measure of common sense can tell that Kerry was referring to Bush. I'm sure Bush even knows it. You can bet Rove and Tony Snowjob know it. They're using it to stir up the idiots on the religious right that they have so aptly exploited in the past. Hey, some folks can be fooled all the time. That's what Bushco is counting on, but I don't see it working this time. Not that some people can't be fooled all the time, but that enough have now wised up enough to see this fiasco for the bullshit that it is.

Dude, Thorgrim purposley left out his complete statement for obvious reasons.

I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended.

His words weren't misinterpreted. People were reacting to what he actually SAID. Of course it's convenient that after there is a shitstorm he tries to say he was talking about Bush (which is a stretch, but Dems will drink the coolaid like they always do). He has a history of not respecting the military and the people who serve. That was the cool thing to do in the late 60's and 70's and he seems to keep forgetting that it's not so cool anymore.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Dont you remember ? He wanted the UN to control the military

I forgot about that!!!

[DosEquis]

I would come in the thread to post insults to George Bush's military record but I can't seem to find a military record. Unless of course in include the national guard duty that seemed to mysteriously just end suddenly. I could come in to insult Cheney's military record, but all I can find is deferments and all of the things he did not to serve.

That being said I do not find it unreasonable that someone like Kerry goes to the slaughter house and comes home a vegetarian. It is no secret there were atrocities by our soldiers who were mentally stressed beyond any reasonable measure because of that war. He came home to report those atrocities and to protest a conflict that cost 50,000 american soldiers for nothing. These reports were intended to bring soldiers home and get them out of the slaughter house, because they were dying for nothing.

As far as Clinton's drastic negative affect on the military, I am having trouble finding it. Closing bases? You should see the list George W has going, only when he does it they call it "strategic realignment". Dont ask dont tell? don't catch the gay. Funding cuts? Not really, the budget maintained a level spending trend. So I am really kind of at a loss as to what Clinton did that was SOO dreadfully horrible to our military.

[KatKanPlay]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

This is no longer distinction. It's black and white, it's this or that. There is no grey. With us or against us.

This is the new world order we live in.

And it sucks.

You are absolutely right. As I read past your post and took a look at how little snippets and tidbits of information are used to justify a slanted opinion stated as fact, I just shrug and decide it is time to go to a new thread or something more productive. This conversation is going no where.

[kinggovernor]

at least he apologized, but he is still a toolbag

[Donkey®]

What does any of this matter? He will never be president and the people who were offended by his comment would never vote for him anyway.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

What does any of this matter? He will never be president and the people who were offended by his comment would never vote for him anyway.

Funny you say that, considering most of the Democratic party leaders have made statements against him.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

What does any of this matter? He will never be president and the people who were offended by his comment would never vote for him anyway.

Wrongo my friend.

Kerry's belated mea culpa, issued at 4:24 p.m., came after Democratic candidates in Iowa, Minnesota and Pennsylvania refused to campaign with him

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Wrongo my friend.

Where did you get that from?

Everything I saw said Kerry cancelled his appearances (though this is kind of a petty argument).

plus I would say in this political climate, people don't care if he was right, wrong, or other.
They just want to back away from someone who said anything controversial a week before the election.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Where did you get that from?

Everything I saw said Kerry cancelled his appearances (though this is kind of a petty argument).

plus I would say in this political climate, people don't care if he was right, wrong, or other.
They just want to back away from someone who said anything controversial a week before the election.

These guys canceled yesterday. Kerry decided to end all his campaigning today

Probably the first smart thing he has done this week.

[ballz2wallz]

Even Boston has been ripping him a new one.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

What does any of this matter? He will never be president and the people who were offended by his comment would never vote for him anyway.

doesn't he want to run again in 08?