Originally Posted by JDTC
Frank, if you could prove to us that Creationism is fact, would that in turn prove to us that the God you believe in exists concretely?
Not trying to set up an argument or anything, just a question.
You are trying to set up an argument. If you could prove that atheism was fact would it in turn prove that right and wrong do not exist?
It never fails, those who who consider themselves, brights, free thinkers , intellectuals etc. answer any and all scientific challenges to their religious beliefs with canned cliches that are posted on skeptic websites. So far there has been one attempt to answer from science and it was weak.
It is a disgrace we have allowed our school system to be turned in to a propaganda factory that produces people who allow others to do their thinking. Trying to shift the burden of proof by asking questions you know the answers to already in order to hide the fact all of your beliefs are purely religious and scientifically indefensible is par for the course.
ALL beliefs about origins are religious and none can be proved, whether my contention that the God of the Bible is the creator or yours that asks us to believe that the incredible miracle of self reproducing organisms was uncaused and in fact completely spontaneous.
Science rarely proves anything and historical/forensic science is weak at best and is in no way similar in weight to operational science.
Historical records ALWAYS trump historical/forensic science . No architect will pick the estimates made using c-14 dating over historical records. The only reason that people discount the historical record in the Bible is they don't like its morality, they don't like the "Thus sayeth the Lord" part.
We have the book of isaiah from the Dead Sea scrools that details numerous events in the life , cruxifiction and resurrection of Jesus Christ .
Writing history in advance is proof of supernatural power.
The critical Christianity that has been adopted by so many liberal seminaries and is promoted by skeptics everywhere was based on the charge Moses could not write , Soddom and Gommorah were myths , the land of Elba was a myth , the claim David and his son Solomon never existed etc etc. The proof all these things were myths? There is no record outside the Bible to compare them to. That is bigotry as nothing the Bible teaches has ever been disproved despite the claims of skeptics.
We now have the evidence from archeology that Elba was a very real place
and it existed many centuries before Moses was born and they could read and write, the records found at Elba speak of the cities of the plain including Sodom and Gommorah and we have found evidence of David and Solomon but the same lies atr still promoted.
All one can do from science in regard to origins is to try and determine the truth of any account by seing if it fits the evidence. The Biblical account agrees with the facts, the ancient anti-God religion of evolution does not.
The Bible says that God created the universe and all life . That He created all life to reproduce after its kind. That is what we observe, animals have great variety , plants have great variety, humans have great variety but cats are cats, dogs are dogs, monkeys are monkeys and people are people. In the beginning God explains the creation of the genetic code , God applying His intelligence on matter He called into existence.
Evolution has no origin , it pleads with us to just accept that for no reason a complex language simply create itself and that the first self reproducing orgsanisms, one cell of which is more complicated than the universe and beyound the combined intelligenc of man to create were Just There.
An origin account with no starting point is not an origins account.
So no, I cannot prove that the God of the Bible is the creator God but considering the Bible writes history in advance it is the best logical conclusion there is.
In order to believe in evolution you have to believe matter created itself and then created intelligence.
In order to believe the Bible is true you have to believe intelligence created matter . Science supports the Bible, there is no method known to science to created languages by material means and without the genetic code you have no life.