Originally Posted by WickedLou9 IF you want to back up to a bird's eye view, the government is just an extension of the free market. We chose to set up this government and we pay it for a service that it provides to us. Not at all. The government was ...
11-03-2006, 01:10 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market  Capitalist 
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Not at all.
The government was once an extension of the free market. But once mandatory income taxes became law, it was no longer part of the free market. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:28 PM
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| Dirty Liberal  Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by lew but we chose that.
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11-03-2006, 02:29 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 I don't choose it. I am forced by threat of violence to participate.
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11-03-2006, 02:31 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by 7960 There are firms that already ceritify products OUTSIDE of the government
Operations like Consumer Reports would become more important. Ingorance is not an excuse to not properly examine something. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:32 PM
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| And who the fuck says what I am arguing has anything to do with Libertarianism. Get your "schools of thought" straight. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:34 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by hsmith just like anything else in the free market. if you don't like it, don't buy it and force the company out of business. IN this situation, if you don't like the income tax, move to another country that doesn't have one. Eventually everyone will leave the country and the US will know that an income tax is bad.
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11-03-2006, 02:36 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 wait, you are equating not buying a product from some company to uprooting and moving to a different country?
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11-03-2006, 02:37 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by hsmith why not?
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11-03-2006, 02:44 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
That's a horrible analogy. If I don't want to buy from Wal-Mart I don't move out of the country. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:45 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
No, we didn't. A small group of people 100 years ago did. Not the American public. And not us. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:46 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by lew We continue to choose it by electing the people that we continue to elect. If you are displeased and want nothing to do with it, you are 100% free to move to another country.
free market FTW | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:47 PM
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| Common Sense Conservative  Realist
| Originally Posted by lew I think it's a decent analogy. Sure, if you don't want to buy from walmart, all you have to do is go across the street. A small effort for a small benefit. But the income tax will affect you for the rest of your life and cost you hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of dollars, so while it's a greater effort to emigrate, it's also a greater reward. If you're a young libertarian with 20-30 working years left, why not seriously consider it? Or for that matter, if you're already a successful business person, why not seriously consider it?
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11-03-2006, 02:48 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by lew It works fine. If you don't like walmart you go to thier comeptitor.
If you don't like the US, move to MOroco or Canada, or some other place that better suits your beliefs. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:50 PM
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| Common Sense Conservative Realist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Tax haven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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11-03-2006, 02:53 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo An Monaco. That's the one I was thinking of. Looks like a nice place to me  How bad could it be moving from the US to this paradise which has no income tax? | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:58 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
There is still a very stark difference. Wal-Mart isn't threatening me with violence if I don't shop there. America does. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 02:59 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by lew Only if you steal from America. If you leave, and you are free to do so if you desire, there is no violence. If you stay here and use the services but refuse to pay, you are stealing and america will take action against you.
it would be like if you didn't like walmart but chose to continue shopping there but never pay them. Security will apprehend you and hand you over to the authorities | ||||
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11-03-2006, 03:03 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
Last I checked America was committing acts of violence all over the world. You know, the things liberals hate that Bush is doing.  | ||||
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11-03-2006, 03:25 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 I don't think you understand free market economics. It has nothing to do with group think.
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11-03-2006, 03:37 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Originally Posted by hsmith Other than saying libertarians tend to be ugly I haven't mentioned them in this thread.
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