Pol Expert Dr. Larry Sabato makes final election predictions

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

1) You have no reason to give me disapproval in reputation.
2) I don't care anyway

No, I don't; it's directed towards anybody that doens't understand the issue about hacking. You made the statement about Republicans hacking into the systems. I simply stated that it's a foolish statement.

Thanks for the good fellowship

And

It's not foolish, a college team with some spare time hacked into an older one, think of what a professional team could do?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's not foolish, a college team with some spare time hacked into an older one, think of what a professional team could do?

And do you think it's limited to just Republicans?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

And do you think it's limited to just Republicans?

No I don't

but how scary is that...in a few years elections have now turned into what side has the best hackers

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

but how scary is that...in a few years elections have now turned into what side has the best hackers

Are they even online? How easy are they to hack into? Can one really hack into one via a touch screen? I don't know that much about them.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

No I don't

but how scary is that...in a few years elections have now turned into what side has the best hackers

WTF are you talking about? Has it even happened???

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

WTF are you talking about? Has it even happened???

A college team hacked into diebold machines, google it...diebold claims it "updated" it and fixed the problem despite the fact that they didn't consult the team that hacked their machine

this was a spare time project done in college, imagine pros

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

At least someone realized the point of my post.

Uhm, you said that Democrats aren't "too good to hack voting machines", and then gave an example of a campaign talking about other Democrats hacking a campaign website..

It seems to me like the point of the post is illustrating that Democrats are capable and willing to mess with things pertaining to elections, even though the information provided to show a history is blatantly incorrect.

I saw Lieberman's site on election day, and it said that his shared hosting plan server was disabled. There are screenshots of that. I'd need to see the source of this supposed screenshot that was posted, because it's very easy to fake those..

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

Uhm, you said that Democrats aren't "too good to hack voting machines",

They're not, and I certainly don't need to give examples to prove it

and then gave an example of a campaign talking about other Democrats hacking a campaign website..

As a joke?

Does anyone besides me see this smilie?

[motivez]

Well, the assertion has nothing to back it up, but since you've conceded that I guess we don't need to delve into it further.

I didn't take the as it being a joke, more like it was ironic, considering the topic.. Smiley interpretation for the lose.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If you take all the 2-3 day polls that finished in November, you get 2.3+ Bush

Bush won by 2.4....thats an average off by 0.1%
United States presidential election, 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd say that's pretty fucking accurate

now wait just a minute, I thought you guys said the polls showed Bush losing and that his victory was proof that the election was stolen ??????

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

now wait just a minute, I thought you guys said the polls showed Bush losing and that his victory was proof that the election was stolen ??????

The initial exit polls showed Bush losing and then he had an amazing comeback victory.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The initial exit polls showed Bush losing and then he had an amazing comeback victory.

what he said ^

The one exit poll I'll always remember is my home state, not just cause its my home state but because it was one of the few with nice round numbers

Reading the Drudge Report: Pennsylvania- Kerry 60% Bush 40%
Kerry won by less than two points

It wasn't that they were wrong, is was that they were wrong on such a spectacular scale never seen before...i don't believe there was a massive fraud, but it gives me a weird feeling everytime I look at those exit poll numbers

Rolling Stone : Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

I don't neccesarily buy his argument, but he makes points that...while generally shoved aside...i don't think have been completely debunked

On 2000 I think its pretty clear Gore won
Supreme Injustice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't like Dershowitz, even though im sure people will assume I do because he's on the liberal end of the spectrum

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The initial exit polls showed Bush losing and then he had an amazing comeback victory.

So now the consensus is the pre-election polls were correct ?


That means all the bs about stealing the election was false ?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

So now the consensus is the pre-election polls were correct ?


That means all the bs about stealing the election was false ?

Well not if you feel that the GOP prevented poor people from voting because their districts didn't have enough machines and they had to wait on line or just simply if you think DIEBOLD stole the election. Oh and the GOP told people in poor areas the wrong voting districts. etc etc.

This is all done while ignoring the DNC voter fraud, illegal votes, and other things they did of course.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

This is all done while ignoring the DNC voter fraud, illegal votes, and other things they did of course.

Yeah we keep a list of people we don't think are going to vote, and then assign them one by to illegal immigrants as they cross the border and tell them to vote nov 7th

DNC voter fraud? What did howard dean do now?

The only clear cut case of people talking about voter fraud have been from the GOP:

Among the incidents cited: A Republican state representative in Michigan told the Detroit Free Press that the GOP will have "a tough time" if "we do not suppress the Detroit vote." Detroit is 83 percent black.

In Jefferson County, Ky., the local GOP plans to send poll watchers to Democratic, predominantly black precincts to challenge voters' eligibility. A similar, 2002 plan provoked cries of voter intimidation after a recruitment flier became public. The flier asked for volunteers to protect Ernie Fletcher's gubernatorial campaign against potential fraud by "the black militant division of the AFL-CIO" and the NAACP.

In South Dakota, where Native Americans are a key constituency for Democrats, some said they were turned away from the polls during a special election this summer because they did not have photo-identification The secretary of state has blamed the problems on well-intentioned poll workers who did not understand a new law passed by the GOP-controlled legislature.

In many cases cited it is unclear who is behind the incidents. In Maryland's 2002 gubernatorial election, anonymous fliers were distributed in black neighborhoods in Baltimore gave voters the wrong date for Election Day and told them to be sure to pay parking tickets, overdue rent and outstanding warrants.

Groups Say GOP Moves to Stifle Vote (washingtonpost.com)

[JaJae]

The biggest accounts of voter fraud are seniors voting for dead spouses and illegals. And they typically vote Democrat.

The Democrats also got their hands dirty in 04 doing some questionable tactics like calling people and leaving false information about polling information.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Yeah we keep a list of people we don't think are going to vote, and then assign them one by to illegal immigrants as they cross the border and tell them to vote nov 7th

DNC voter fraud? What did howard dean do now?

The only clear cut case of people talking about voter fraud have been from the GOP:

Among the incidents cited: A Republican state representative in Michigan told the Detroit Free Press that the GOP will have "a tough time" if "we do not suppress the Detroit vote." Detroit is 83 percent black.

sad.

In Jefferson County, Ky., the local GOP plans to send poll watchers to Democratic, predominantly black precincts to challenge voters' eligibility. A similar, 2002 plan provoked cries of voter intimidation after a recruitment flier became public. The flier asked for volunteers to protect Ernie Fletcher's gubernatorial campaign against potential fraud by "the black militant division of the AFL-CIO" and the NAACP.

And ?

In South Dakota, where Native Americans are a key constituency for Democrats, some said they were turned away from the polls during a special election this summer because they did not have photo-identification The secretary of state has blamed the problems on well-intentioned poll workers who did not understand a new law passed by the GOP-controlled legislature.

And photo ID should be required.

In many cases cited it is unclear who is behind the incidents. In Maryland's 2002 gubernatorial election, anonymous fliers were distributed in black neighborhoods in Baltimore gave voters the wrong date for Election Day and told them to be sure to pay parking tickets, overdue rent and outstanding warrants.

Sorry but if you dont know what day to vote, you should just stay home.