Outsourcing medical care

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-02-2006, 05:32 PM

Businesses may move health care overseas - Yahoo! News

Wow, I always thought two professions that would be permanently immune from outsourcing would be law and medicine. Apparently I was wrong. Medicine can be outsourced.

WickedLou9 · 11-02-2006, 05:48 PM

John, you need a double bypass. We are booking your airfare to Abudabi because Dr. Ganish will do it for 500 dollars wher as it will cost 20 grand here in the states and your insurance company won't pay.

kinggovernor · 11-02-2006, 05:49 PM

ummm no thanks

WickedLou9 · 11-02-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

ummm no thanks

sadly I think it's only a matter of time.

DosEquis · 11-02-2006, 05:53 PM

Canada could probably use the supplimental income. They are cheaper than here and can use the money for their own citizens.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-02-2006, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

sadly I think it's only a matter of time.

Exactly. When your options are no medical care vs. overseas medical care, you do what you have to do. And besides, I'm sure they've got some great doctors overseas that can be found with some research.

WickedLou9 · 11-02-2006, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Exactly. When your options are no medical care vs. overseas medical care, you do what you have to do. And besides, I'm sure they've got some great doctors overseas that can be found with some research.

Alot of them get thier educations somewhere else and then come over here to practice medicine anyway.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-02-2006, 05:57 PM

Man, what will this do to the already bad environment for doctors here? Wait...actually, I thought for a sec that it might lead to a doctor shortage, but that's probably not the case. I we run a doctor shortage, the American medical schools will just start admitting more foreign applicants and/or immigration will start letting more foreign doctors in, who can start practicing after passing a test.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-02-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by WickedLou9

Alot of them get thier educations somewhere else and then come over here to practice medicine anyway.

Yeah, I know...no one talks about it, but I know plenty of people who couldn't get into American med schools, so they went to places in the Carribean or in Mexico. Thing thing about doctors is that no one ever asks where they went to school. Everyone assumes an MD is an MD, which is probably true, given I've never heard about a rash of dead patients due to foreign-educated doctors.

The American medical school system is sort of retarded. The vast majority of doctors never use chemistry, physics, calculus, etc., yet you have to be an expert in those subjects to get into American med schools. There seems to be just a set of arbitrary hurdles to keep the supply of doctors here low.

Stylerod · 11-02-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Canada could probably use the supplimental income. They are cheaper than here and can use the money for their own citizens.

Canadians can't get into their own doctors so they come to the states to get treated. They can't handle what they have.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-02-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Canadians can't get into their own doctors so they come to the states to get treated. They can't handle what they have.

Can you back this up with evidence? There's a lot of urban legend surrounding alleged waiting lists.

Stylerod · 11-02-2006, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Can you back this up with evidence? There's a lot of urban legend surrounding alleged waiting lists.

In Canada, every citizen has coverage, but access can still be a problem. Reports show that millions of Canadians do not have, or have trouble finding a doctor, and have to rely on emergency room treatments. [1] Complaints of long waiting lists for some services are also common. For example, in a survey of hospital administrators conducted in Canada, the United States, and three other countries, 21 percent of Canadian hospital administrators admitted that it would take over three weeks to do a biopsy for possible breast cancer on a 50 year old woman. Less than one percent of American administrators made this claim. according to the same survey, fifty percent of Canadian administrators versus none of their American counterparts stated that it would take over six months for a sixty-five year old to undergo a routine hip replacement surgery [2].

Canadian and American health care systems compared - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plus when we had this conversation in OT a bunch of Canadians said they loved it was "free" but them having to make appointments months and months in advance were horribly frustrating.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-02-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Canadian and American health care systems compared - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plus when we had this conversation in OT a bunch of Canadians said they loved it was "free" but them having to make appointments months and months in advance were horribly frustrating.

I don't see why waiting lists are a problem, as long as they don't apply to emergency procedures that can't wait. Sure, it must be frustrating to wait 3 weeks for a biopsy or 6 weeks for routine hip surgery, but beggars can't be choosers. It's a lot more frustrating to have to declare bankruptcy and be financially ruined. If you want it immediately, you can pay for private care yourself, and if you need it immediately, apparently you can get that from the universal system.

KatKanPlay · 11-02-2006, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Canadians can't get into their own doctors so they come to the states to get treated. They can't handle what they have.

Those are Canadians that can afford to get to the United States for treatment. Good for them and good for us. (economy wise)

But for the rest of us? We would just have to wait, because something is always better than nothing. If the rich can afford to jet around for the best treatment, great! The average Canadian cant do that and neither can the average American. This excuse is not good enough to deny basic healthcare for the general population.

kinggovernor · 11-03-2006, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I don't see why waiting lists are a problem, as long as they don't apply to emergency procedures that can't wait. Sure, it must be frustrating to wait 3 weeks for a biopsy or 6 weeks for routine hip surgery, but beggars can't be choosers. It's a lot more frustrating to have to declare bankruptcy and be financially ruined. If you want it immediately, you can pay for private care yourself, and if you need it immediately, apparently you can get that from the universal system.

I don't want to be a beggar when it comes to healthcare

KatKanPlay · 11-04-2006, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I don't want to be a beggar when it comes to healthcare

You probably wouldnt be, but it is pretty selfish to deny others just because you consider it begging.

kinggovernor · 11-05-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

You probably wouldnt be, but it is pretty selfish to deny others just because you consider it begging.

I don't want a probably where I have to depend on the government. I will always lose with that

Scrum · 11-05-2006, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I don't want to be a beggar when it comes to healthcare

You would still be free to go to a private hospital and pay for that care you want.

kinggovernor · 11-05-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You would still be free to go to a private hospital and pay for that care you want.

after paying taxes that fund the socialist government healthcare plan

motivez · 11-05-2006, 07:43 PM

I think this debate is really about compassion. I mean, the debate about taxes and small government is a lofty one.. but the nitty gritty is really about what kind of nation we want, and whether or not we have compassion for people who are unable to take care of themselves.

I think we are capable of accomplishing great things if we put our mind to it as a nation, I don't see why ensuring that all Americans have access to quality health care doesn't fit into a category of "great accomplishments"