Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo Yes it does. I think it's a pretty plain meaning of freedom to be free of occupation by an invading force. The more US soldiers they kill, the more likely they'll be to leave. The whole world knows that when that part of the world is ...
11-03-2006, 03:59 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You 
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo The whole world knows that when that part of the world is stable, we'll leave. They don't want us to leave; they want to area to remain unstable. 
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11-03-2006, 04:07 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Then why do you believe they want the Democrats to win?
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11-03-2006, 04:07 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Okay, so if Iran invaded us and occupied us, and we got into a very unstable civil war situation after, you don't think that fighting the Iranian occupiers would be a fight for freedom?
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11-03-2006, 04:08 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost Freedom at gunpoint.
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11-03-2006, 04:09 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Circular argument.
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11-03-2006, 04:10 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
 You'll accept freedom, and you'll like it!
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11-03-2006, 04:20 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo I guess it depends on what you call 'freedom'. If you think their country will be free if we let the terrorists take over, you're full of it. They want a very unfree theorcracy like Iran, they don't want freedom like we Americans would be fighting for.
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11-03-2006, 04:22 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost As opposed to what?
 Freedom means just that. Free to elect who you want. Free to travel. Free to pray. Free to talk bad about the government. What the hell is so bad about that? | ||||
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11-03-2006, 04:24 PM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by Stylerod Freedom isn't FORCING our definition of freedom on them. They should also be free to choose a dictator, setup a theocratical government, and/or not want us there (if they want, that is)
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11-03-2006, 04:27 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost Ok, they CAN do that if they want. We aren't stopping them.
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11-03-2006, 04:29 PM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by Stylerod We're not? it seems to me we're setting up their government how WE want it setup. We didn't even approve their first constitution, and made them do it again.
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11-03-2006, 04:32 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Ardentfrost
We already told them we will leave when they want us to leave. They made their own constitution. Held elections. I guess I just don't understand how freedom is a bad thing. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 04:36 PM
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| For those about to rock... libertarian Atlanta, GA
| I never said it was a bad thing. I'm saying FORCING someone to do something your way is not freedom. If we're there to help them be free, then by BEING there and making them do things a certain way, we are not letting them be free. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 04:36 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Stylerod We will leave when the government we put in place asks us to leave?
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11-03-2006, 06:46 PM
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| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
 I asked you whether fighting off an army of invading occupiers is a fight for freedom. That's something that should have a very easy "yes" answer. Instead, you respond with a nuanced "it depends" answer, of the type you give people shit about in your "do you want america to win" thread. | ||||
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11-03-2006, 06:49 PM
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| Common Sense Conservative Realist
| Originally Posted by Stylerod It's so bad when it's forced upon you at gun point. I don't think you'd care how benevolent of an agenda an invading army had...you'd want them the fuck out of your country.
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11-04-2006, 10:49 AM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo Would we be fighting for freedom? Yes.
Are they fighting for freedom? No. | ||||
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11-04-2006, 11:07 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Couldn't it be argued that they are fighting for freedom from US?
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11-05-2006, 03:48 AM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist North Carolina
| I would guess that by admitting that some might feel they're justifying terrorist actions, etc. I think a lot of people have bought into this idea that freedom is some concept that simply can't be sullied, and having to say well yeah, maybe they are fighting for what they see as freedom would do just that. | ||||
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11-05-2006, 06:28 AM
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| here's a novel concept: freedom is relative. | ||||
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