Good book for lincoln fans

Thorgrim · 11-04-2006, 12:02 AM

Amazon.com: Copperheads: The Rise and Fall of Lincoln's Opponents in the North: Books: Jennifer L. Weber,James M. McPherson

Diesel66 · 11-04-2006, 02:29 AM

Really have no idea how anyone could be a fan of Lincoln and still complain about Bush taking away your freedoms.

Thorgrim · 11-04-2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Really have no idea how anyone could be a fan of Lincoln and still complain about Bush taking away your freedoms.

If there was a civil war going on right now on US soil I would fully support the presidents actions he's made so far...

motivez · 11-04-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Really have no idea how anyone could be a fan of Lincoln and still complain about Bush taking away your freedoms.

Agreed, a lot of what Lincoln did is just flatly wrong.

lew · 11-04-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If there was a civil war going on right now on US soil I would fully support the presidents actions he's made so far...

Right.

KatKanPlay · 11-05-2006, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Really have no idea how anyone could be a fan of Lincoln and still complain about Bush taking away your freedoms.

It was a very different world then. Hell I couldnt even have voted for or against anything!

Diesel66 · 11-05-2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by KatKanPlay

It was a very different world then. Hell I couldnt even have voted for or against anything!

So it is perfectly fine to destroy the Constitution if the President feels it is ok ? Bush is bad and Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR are good ?

Scrum · 11-05-2006, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

So it is perfectly fine to destroy the Constitution if the President feels it is ok ? Bush is bad and Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR are good ?

Comparing Bush to Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR in anyway other than saying they were all president is laughable.

KatKanPlay · 11-05-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

So it is perfectly fine to destroy the Constitution if the President feels it is ok ? Bush is bad and Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR are good ?

Yes, Bush is bad.

goldenponderbob · 11-05-2006, 10:45 AM

I am new to your forum, and wanted to post something just to get my feet wet, so to speak.

Of several books on Lincoln I have read, my favorite is "The Real Abraham Lincoln", by Reinhard H. Luthin (Prentice-Hall, 1960).

Nearly 100 of its 775 pages are devoted to reference and index, so those with faulty recollections can revisit stuff.

Probably on your local library's shelf.

Now let's see if i can actually work this thing.

lew · 11-05-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Comparing Bush to Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR in anyway other than saying they were all president is laughable.

No, it's not. In fact, it's all very relevant. Especially comparing Bush to Lincoln. They've basically had the same presidency.

motivez · 11-05-2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by lew

No, it's not. In fact, it's all very relevant. Especially comparing Bush to Lincoln. They've basically had the same presidency.

Does that mean in generations, he'll be talked about as one of our greatest presidents and have his face in a mountain?

lew · 11-05-2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Does that mean in generations, he'll be talked about as one of our greatest presidents and have his face in a mountain?

Hopefully not.

KatKanPlay · 11-05-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by goldenponderbob

I am new to your forum, and wanted to post something just to get my feet wet, so to speak.

Of several books on Lincoln I have read, my favorite is "The Real Abraham Lincoln", by Reinhard H. Luthin (Prentice-Hall, 1960).

Nearly 100 of its 775 pages are devoted to reference and index, so those with faulty recollections can revisit stuff.

Probably on your local library's shelf.

Now let's see if i can actually work this thing.

I dont have time to go read this, so would you mind ellaborating a tad bit on the "faulty recollections"?

Diesel66 · 11-05-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Does that mean in generations, he'll be talked about as one of our greatest presidents and have his face in a mountain?

depends on the idiot teachers and if he gets assassinated.

Scrum · 11-05-2006, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by lew

No, it's not. In fact, it's all very relevant. Especially comparing Bush to Lincoln. They've basically had the same presidency.

Not really.

lew · 11-06-2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Not really.

Yes, really.

Those that even love Lincoln like to compare the two, noting how similiar they are.

Here's a couple good articles comparing Bush to Lincoln and Wilson.

Claremont vs. The Founding Fathers by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Abraham Dubya Bush

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

Does that mean in generations, he'll be talked about as one of our greatest presidents and have his face in a mountain?

People hated Lincoln so much at the time, that they fucking left the union. When he started a war, more states said "that ain't cool" and left the union.

To have that level of hatred geared at him, but then be remembered in the history books as the best president of all time... I mean, that's pretty nuts.

So, as for Bush, I guess it really depends on how well the history books work for him. Will he be a Lincoln, or a U.S. Grant? One thing's for sure, he'll be remembered somehow. A lot of shit has gone down under him. I almost wish I could freeze myself for 150 years and see how he's remembered exactly. Will it be statues erected in his honor, or likenesses erected only to be set on fire?

goldenponderbob · 11-06-2006, 10:36 AM

Hello KatKanPlay,

Sure, on "faulty recollections", How's This.

As I get on in years I find myself revisiting stuff and discovering whole new interpretations of what I thought I knew.

I thing attributed to Lincoln, for instance, may turn out to be something I wished he had said, or should have said.

Nowadays one of the first things I look for in book is the stuff in the back.

Hey, perhaps it's a throwback to grammar school days, and the joy of finding that't were the answers were.

Hope that helps.

goldenponderbob