McCain's son joins the Marines - Page 2

motivez · 07-30-2006, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

He's popular with everyone but other vets. I still haven't figured out why, but war vets really dislike him.

I've never heard anything about vets not liking him? Do you have some links or something I could read on this?

7960 · 07-30-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I've never heard anything about vets not liking him? Do you have some links or something I could read on this?

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issue...s/feature.html

But that's because you asked for a link. I'm going by my uncles and their friends (close family friends) who were in wars and dont' like mccain.

kinggovernor · 07-30-2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issue...s/feature.html

But that's because you asked for a link. I'm going by my uncles and their friends (close family friends) who were in wars and dont' like mccain.

fuck that and fuck craig wilbanks

motivez · 07-30-2006, 08:46 PM

Seems like a lone crusader who is still distraught over his loss

I don't buy into his claims that he's a tratior or conspirator. Do you really think there's some larger movement than this guy and maybe a few others who are bitter for some reason?

Have you ever talked to those people you know to find out why they dislike him?

7960 · 07-30-2006, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Seems like a lone crusader who is still distraught over his loss

I don't buy into his claims that he's a tratior or conspirator. Do you really think there's some larger movement than this guy and maybe a few others who are bitter for some reason?

Have you ever talked to those people you know to find out why they dislike him?

I don't know how else to say this.......

1. there are a significant number of vets who don't like him, and
2. I don't know why.

It's not a loan crusader.

Ask a vet. I'm going to visit my dad in a few weeks. I'll ask him again exactly why vets don't like McCain.

kinggovernor · 07-30-2006, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I don't know how else to say this.......

1. there are a significant number of vets who don't like him, and
2. I don't know why.

It's not a loan crusader.

Ask a vet. I'm going to visit my dad in a few weeks. I'll ask him again exactly why vets don't like McCain.

I believe it has more to do with after vietnam rather that his time as a POW

7960 · 07-30-2006, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I believe it has more to do with after vietnam rather that his time as a POW

I agree

Originally Posted by 7960

It probably has to do with his voting record since entering politics, I don't know.

kinggovernor · 07-30-2006, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I agree

i would say, veterans are not a straight ticket party group

thomez · 07-30-2006, 10:07 PM

they probably see him as the grandstander he is

7960 · 07-30-2006, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

i would say, veterans are not a straight ticket party group

nope, but I would also say their vote is not a lock for McCain which is surprising to me.

kinggovernor · 07-31-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

nope, but I would also say their vote is not a lock for McCain which is surprising to me.

archangel003 · 07-31-2006, 12:53 AM

Good for him.

95% he'll be rear-echelon.

motivez · 07-31-2006, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

nope, but I would also say their vote is not a lock for McCain which is surprising to me.

It'd be suprising to me too.. I would think vets would want other vets being the Commander in Chief.

Diesel66 · 07-31-2006, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by motivez

It'd be suprising to me too.. I would think vets would want other vets being the Commander in Chief.

Not after has actions about the Vietnam POWs.

motivez · 07-31-2006, 04:38 AM

Can you detail the ones you (or you think they) have a problem with specifically?

7960 · 07-31-2006, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Not after has actions about the Vietnam POWs.

This!

I keep hearing this but nobody explains it.

Originally Posted by article

Within a few months of McCain's becoming a prisoner of war, his father, Admiral Jack McCain, was appointed commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific. The North Vietnamese, sensing a propaganda prize, offered McCain early release.

But McCain refused early release, citing the code of conduct that prisoners of war should be released in the order in which they were captured. His captors demanded he accept their offer. McCain refused, over and over again. For his repeated defiance, his communist captors savagely beat him.

Before it was over, John McCain spent 5 years as a prisoner of war, two of them in solitary confinement.

http://www.friendsofmccain.com/about/

I would have assumed he'd be a god among vets for refusing to leave.......please, explain. What did he do when he got back that was bad enough to burn all that good will?

archangel003 · 07-31-2006, 02:57 PM

McCain vs. Clark 2008?

TheMrs · 07-31-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I've never heard anything about vets not liking him? Do you have some links or something I could read on this?

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And a key purveyor of this anti-Kerry propaganda is a former Green Beret named Ted Sampley, who has run a profitable business as a "POW/MIA advocate" from his home in North Carolina for most of the past two decades. Few remember that Sampley was critical to efforts to similarly smear Sen. John McCain, another war hero, when he ran for president against George W. Bush in 2000.

</snip>

http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/c.../index_np.html

archangel003 · 07-31-2006, 03:13 PM

Oh yeah, the whole "John McCain has an illegitimate nigger baby" smear campaign was a nice one, too.

That was nice to see from the campaign that promised to "bring integrity back to the White House".

TheMrs · 07-31-2006, 03:24 PM

http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_...o_war_hero.htm

Edit to add: Sorry, I got sidetracked with all the 'vets don't like McCain' talk.

My comment about the original topic: Good for him? I really don't care if his son joined the Marines or not... or if people think it will "help" McCain win some election. Being military doesn't always mean a sure win by election. Remember Bob Dole? *nods* Yuppers.