This is what happens when rhetoric gets out of control

[Donkey®]

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot in Tucson rampage; federal judge killed

Originally Posted by article

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot in Tucson rampage; federal judge killed

TUCSON - The mass shooting Saturday morning that gravely wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and killed a federal judge raised serious concerns that the nation's heated political discourse had taken a dangerous turn.



Police are holding a 22-year-old man in the shooting rampage, which occurred outside a supermarket where Giffords was greeting constituents. The gunman shot Giffords in the head at close range and then continued to fire into the small gathering of people, police said.

Police said they think that Giffords was the target of the attack.

Law enforcement and medical officials in Arizona said that at least 18 people were shot in the melee and that six of them had died, including John M. Roll, the chief U.S. District judge in Arizona, and Gabe Zimmerman, Giffords's local director of community outreach. Also killed was Christina Taylor Green, 9, who was born on Sept. 11, 2001, and had gone to the event with a neighbor. Two other Giffords staffers, district director Ron Barber and community outreach aide Pam Simon, were wounded.

Authorities said they were seeking a second man as a "person of interest" who might have been at the scene with the gunman. He is not a suspect in the shooting, authorities said.

It was unclear what might have motivated the suspect, identified as 22-year-old Jared Loughner. On YouTube, an individual using the same name had posted convoluted videos with a vague anti-government message, that law enforcement officials said they were analyzing. As of late Saturday, Loughner wasn't cooperating with investigators.

In an emotional news conference late Saturday, Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik (D) denounced the nation's vitriolic political climate and noted Arizona's part in the rancor after a controversial crackdown on illegal immigration.

"The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous, and unfortunately Arizona has become sort of the capital," Dupnik said. "We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

The fiery rhetoric that has taken hold in politics, Dupnik said, "may be free speech, but it's not without consequences."

President Obama dispatched FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to the scene, and U.S. Capitol Police, charged with protecting members of Congress, urged House members to take "reasonable and prudent precautions" regarding their personal safety.

Peter Rhee, trauma director at University Medical Center in Tucson, where Giffords was listed in intensive care, said a single bullet had struck Giffords in the head and traveled through her brain. Sources close to Giffords said the lawmaker was responsive when she was airlifted from the scene and before surgery.

Despite cautious optimism about Giffords's condition, former U.S. surgeon general Richard Carmona, a family friend of Giffords's, told reporters Saturday night that she could need further surgery. "This is a very devastating wound," Carmona said.


Loughner was tackled by two people in the small crowd that had formed around Giffords, and he was taken taken into custody. A 9mm Glock handgun was recovered. It had what police described as "an extended clip."


Dozens of friends and colleagues gathered at the Capitol on Saturday night for a vigil for Giffords. A somber Obama addressed the tragedy late Saturday afternoon.

"It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does - listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors," Obama said, referring to Giffords by her nickname. "That is the essence of what our democracy is all about. That is why this is more than a tragedy for those involved. It is a tragedy for Arizona and a tragedy for our entire country."

Giffords,who narrowly won reelection to a third term in November and was sworn into office Wednesday, was hosting her first "Congress on Your Corner" event of the new Congress when the gunman appeared, law enforcement sources said.

Steven Rayle, a Tucson doctor, said he saw a young man wearing sneakers and what appeared to be navy-blue sweats approach Gifford with a raised semiautomatic pistol. The man shot Giffords once in the face, he said.

After Giffords fell, Rayle said, people near her tried to flee but were trapped by a table and a concrete post. The gunman fired into the crowd, he said.

"There was nowhere easy to run," Rayle said. "People that were there were just sitting ducks. I don't think he was even aiming. He was just firing at whatever."

An intern to the congresswoman who had nursing training was able to attend to Giffords before emergency workers arrived, a potentially critical intervention, a Giffords aide confirmed.

Law enforcement sources said the gun used in the attack was fitted with a magazine that held about 30 bullets. The shooter had another magazine that held about 30 bullets and two that held about 15 bullets each, sources said, and he also had a knife. Reese Widmier, manager of the Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson, confirmed that the gun was sold by the store Nov. 30.

The shooting marked the first attempt on the life of a sitting member of Congress since the 1978 killing of Rep. Leo Ryan (D-Calif.) while investigating the Peoples Temple cult compound in Jonestown, Guyana.

Although Loughner's motive remained a mystery, the incident was viewed by many in the political world as a grim bookend to a bitterly contentious campaign season, in which Arizona and Giffords featured prominently.

Last March, Giffords was one of 10 House Democrats who were harassed for their support of the national health-care overhaul. After Giffords voted for the final bill, the front door of her Tucson office was shattered in an early morning act of vandalism.


House Republican leaders had scheduled a vote Wednesday on repealing the health-care law, but they announced after the shooting that it would be postponed, along with other legislative business.

Giffords's seat was targeted by Republicans in the 2010 midterm elections, but she managed to win a tough battle against a tea party-endorsed opponent. The up-and-coming lawmaker, known as a moderate Democrat who stayed in touch with her district, had been singled out by Sarah Palin's SarahPac as one of 20 Democrats representing states that supported Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for president in 2008.

Liberals on Saturday blamed the tea party movement's sometimes militant rhetoric: for example, Palin's telling supporters via Twitter, "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD," and Nevada GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle's advocating "second-amendment remedies" to some of the nation's problems.

The link to Palin touched off a war of words Saturday via social media sites such as Twitter and Facebook,as prominent left-wing bloggers accused Palin and others of encouraging extremism. Palin weighed in by issuing a call for "peace" on her Facebook page.

Politicians from across the spectrum reacted with shock and alarm. "I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords," said House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio). "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society."

The "Congress on Your Corner" program was intended as a way for Democratic lawmakers like Giffords to remain connected to local concerns, especially in highly competitive districts. Giffords was standing outside the grocery store under a banner with her name on it when the suspect approached her and started firing.

Giffords is a former member of the Arizona state Senate and House, and she had served as president of a tire company founded by her father. She speaks Spanish, and her hobbies include motorcycle racing. She is married to Mark Kelly, an astronaut and Navy pilot.

In 2006, she was a top recruit of Rahm Emanuel, then chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and was viewed as the type of young, middle-of-the-road candidate with crossover appeal. That year, she won the Democratic primary in a crowded field. In the general election, she received 54 percent of the vote against the GOP candidate, anti-illegal immigration activist Randy Graf, to succeed retiring Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.).

She easily won reelection in 2008.

The debate sparked by the Arizona crackdown last year on illegal immigrants became a defining issue in Giffords's 2010 campaign. The 8th Congressional District borders Mexico, and although Giffords denounced the law as "extreme," she refused to join a chorus of liberal outrage. She described the measure as a "clear calling that the federal government needs to do a better job."

She supported a Republican effort to add National Guard troops along the border and opposed an effort by a home-state colleague, Rep. Raul Grijalva (D), to boycott Arizona businesses in protest of the state law. Giffords won reelection by fewer than 4,000 votes.

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), who as 2010 chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee made Giffords's reelection a priority, called her "one of our very brightest lights."

One of her assignments under the Democratic House majority was to chair a subcommittee that oversaw NASA. Kelly, who married Giffords in 2007, recently commanded the space shuttle Endeavor's trip to the international space station.

This is a direct result of the right's bullshit. The same bullshit they claim not to condone. "take the country back" and "secession" talk only instigates unstable people to do unstable things. You can claim the right isn't doing anything the left isn't...but there's been an obvious difference between the two sides since the Tea Baggers came about.

To claim otherwise is weak.

[stolz25]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

The same bullshit they claim not to condone. "take the country back" and "secession" talk only instigates unstable people to do unstable things.

This isn't true, it also gets morons out to vote republican, similar to how all the social programs and "soak the rich" campaigns from democrats get the morons out to vote democrat. While this incident is obviously bad, it's extremely isolated, and it's an unintended consequence of those republican campaigns. The democrats are worse, especially considering their results are fully intended. Our children's children's children will be paying for programs with no hope of ever getting out of debt.

[northhunter]

It's your claim that's weak. If the right has really done what you say then you're telling me the only one who listened and acted was one mentally ill individual?
This guy was sick in the head, and trying to paint it as anything else is sick as well.

This is an article by Mike Thompson in the Detroit Freepress today. For some reason I had some troublw cutting and pasting the byline.

This will upset a lot of people who are itching to mold Saturday’s tragic shooting in Tucson, Ariz., into a club to be used for political advantage: we don’t yet know what motivated the alleged gunman, Jared Lee Loughner. But don’t tell this to writers in the blogosphere where blame for the shooting has already been assigned to everyone from former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to Tea Party activists, as Howard Kurtz noted on "The Daily Beast" in a great piece on the rush to score political points that routinely follows tragedies: http://bit.ly/dTFytV


What is known about Loughner at this point is sketchy at best and certainly doesn’t pigeonhole him as a devotee of a particular political ideology. The incoherent YouTube videos allegedly created by Loughner certainly don’t, nor does his alleged MySpace page where the books he lists as his favorites run the political gamut from hard left to hard right and include “The Communist Manifesto” and Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”


Reputable news organizations erroneously reported that the target in the shooting spree, U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D) Ariz., had died from her wounds. This alone should give pause to anyone looking to assign a cause to this senseless shooting at this point.


Yeah, I know it's been said that we live in a world where we expect instant answers to our questions - we want everything to be just a Google search away and we want all dilemmas to be resolved as quickly as they are in sitcoms on TV. This tragedy, however, doesn’t lend itself to any quick conclusions. So resist the urge to jump to any.

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot in Tucson rampage; federal judge killed





This is a direct result of the right's bullshit. The same bullshit they claim not to condone. "take the country back" and "secession" talk only instigates unstable people to do unstable things. You can claim the right isn't doing anything the left isn't...but there's been an obvious difference between the two sides since the Tea Baggers came about.

To claim otherwise is weak.

I hate to say this, but you are far more than just a Jackass, or even a Socialist Jackass. You are a consummate Mindless Jackass, almost totally lacking in common sense. It is FACT that almost ALL political violence committed in the last two centuries, have been committed by 'so called' Leftist Anarchists, hoping to take advantage of the resulting disruption of order, in order to promote the introduction of the Collectivist State. THe only exception I can even think of is McVeigh and the Oklama bombing. But for every McVeigh I can come up with ten, or more, examples of the Left resorting to murder.

But then again, you are proudly proclaiming yourself to be a Socialist, so any pretext to logic is absent. Congratulations you Jackass Genius.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by northhunter

It's your claim that's weak. If the right has really done what you say then you're telling me the only one who listened and acted was one mentally ill individual?
This guy was sick in the head, and trying to paint it as anything else is sick as well.

This isn't the first time an incident has happened. I am also not blaming JUST the right...but at this time...it's mostly them. Their hate for Obama knows no bounds and they will say anything to rile up the troops.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by CharlieK

I hate to say this, but you are far more than just a Jackass, or even a Socialist Jackass. You are a consummate Mindless Jackass, almost totally lacking in common sense. It is FACT that almost ALL political violence committed in the last two centuries, have been committed by 'so called' Leftist Anarchists, hoping to take advantage of the resulting disruption of order, in order to promote the introduction of the Collectivist State. THe only exception I can even think of is McVeigh and the Oklama bombing. But for every McVeigh I can come up with ten, or more, examples of the Left resorting to murder.

But then again, you are proudly proclaiming yourself to be a Socialist, so any pretext to logic is absent. Congratulations you Jackass Genius.

And I hate to say this...but fuck off...you're a dipshit.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by CharlieK

I hate to say this, but you are far more than just a Jackass, or even a Socialist Jackass. You are a consummate Mindless Jackass, almost totally lacking in common sense. It is FACT that almost ALL political violence committed in the last two centuries, have been committed by 'so called' Leftist Anarchists, hoping to take advantage of the resulting disruption of order, in order to promote the introduction of the Collectivist State. THe only exception I can even think of is McVeigh and the Oklama bombing. But for every McVeigh I can come up with ten, or more, examples of the Left resorting to murder.

But then again, you are proudly proclaiming yourself to be a Socialist, so any pretext to logic is absent. Congratulations you Jackass Genius.

Anarchy isn't "leftist" at all.
McVeigh was as far right wing as you can get


And insults get you nowhere, especially when your post is completely wrong.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

Anarchy isn't "leftist" at all.
McVeigh was as far right wing as you can get


And insults get you nowhere, especially when your post is completely wrong.

Don't bother. These guys don't like to address facts...or use them.

Back on topic



Lawmakers: Time to cool the political fury - CNN.com

Originally Posted by article

(CNN) -- Lawmakers on Sunday called for toning down the political rhetoric in Washington and across the country after a shooting in Arizona that left six people dead and left a congresswoman with a bullet wound to the brain.

"We live in a world of violent images and violent words, but those of us in public life and the journalists who cover us should be thoughtful in response to this and try to bring down the rhetoric, which I'm afraid has become pervasive in our discussion of political issues," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, told CNN's "State of the Union."

The comments came a day after Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot, along with 19 others, by a man outside a supermarket in Tucson. Six people died, including U.S. District Judge John Roll, authorities said, and suspect Jared Lee Loughner was taken into custody by police.

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee, told CNN, "We have to be very careful about imputing the motives or the actions of a deranged individual to any particular group of Americans who have their own political beliefs." He added, "We ought to cool it, tone it down, treat each other with great respect, respect each other's ideas and even on difficult issues like immigration or taxes or health care law, do our best not to inflame passions."

Other lawmakers from both sides of the aisle echoed those comments across the Sunday political talk shows. Their message: While the motivation of the gunman remains unknown, it is time to dial back the fury that has overtaken so much of the U.S. political discourse.

"This ought to be a wake-up call to not only the members of Congress but to the people of this country that we are headed in the wrong direction," said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, on NBC's "Meet the Press." "Congress meets a lot but it rarely comes together."

He added, "We've got to watch what we say, and we're not doing it. It starts in campaigns."

Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, told CBS' "Face the Nation" that he had spoken with Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, who is "very angry about the level of angry rhetoric that he believes incites people."

Officials in Arizona voiced dismay over the possibility that highly polarized rhetoric in the conservative hotbed state may have played a role in the assassination attempt of Giffords, who was targeted during a meet-and-greet with constituents in a shopping center. In addition to Roll, a 9-year-old girl, and four other people died in the incident.

While not stating a motive for the shootings, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik in Tucson used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric" that has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.
"We need to do some soul searching," Dupnik told reporters. "It's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this county is getting to be outrageous. Unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital," Dupnik, a Democrat, continued.

"We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry," he said.
Arizona is a Republican stronghold where the party members hold a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the legislature and occupy the governor's office.

"People who are unbalanced may be especially susceptible to vitriol," Dupnik said. "It's not unusual for all public officials to get threatened constantly, myself included. That's the sad thing that's going on in America. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable people to subject themselves to serving the public."

Dupnik added, "People tend to pooh-pooh this business about the vitriol that inflames American public opinion by the people who make a living off of that. That may be free speech but it's not without consequences."

Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited that her name appeared on a website titled "take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by Sarah Palin against vulnerable House Democrats.

A map on the site showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

Palin first posted the list in March 2010, naming 20 House members who voted for health care reform and represented districts that Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona won in the 2008 presidential election.

At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it."

"The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

Palin once famously tweeted, "Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: 'Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!'" But she emphasized that she was not encouraging violence, rather just encouraging conservatives to fight for their positions.

On Saturday, Palin posted a message on her Facebook page: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

Durbin, speaking Sunday to CNN, said, "The phrase 'don't retreat, reload,' putting crosshairs on congressional districts as targets -- these sorts of things, I think, invite the kind of toxic rhetoric that can lead unstable people to believe this is an acceptable response."

He said he was not drawing a direct connection between the shooting and Palin's remarks, or those of anyone. "But don't we have an obligation ... to say this is beyond the bounds?"

On "Fox News Sunday," Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Washington, said, "Without a doubt, the political rhetoric has increased across the board, inflammatory remarks. And Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives, Tea Party activists have all condemned what happened in Arizona. I think it's important to remember that this was an individual 22 years old, he dropped out of high school. As far as we know, he's not tied to a political movement, and this wasn't a politically motivated act."

Tom Fuentes, a former FBI assistant director who is a CNN contributor, said that when media cover "hateful" public statements by officials or television personalities, those remarks are often framed as "they're exciting their base," Fuentes said.

"Law enforcement executives out there know, like this sheriff, that it also excites the lunatic fringe," Fuentes told CNN. "In this country, we have no shortage of mentally unbalanced people, and it seems in case after case, they have no trouble obtaining firearms. So when they go over the edge and go public and try to initiate an attack, this is what happens."

Arizona state Rep. Matt Heinz, a Democrat and a Tucson physician, supported Dupnik's remarks.

"I think he is very, very correctly calling attention to some of the vitriol and some of the ways we're talking about each other," Heinz told CNN. "For those with troubled minds, sometimes some of those things that are said are unfortunately taken in the wrong way."

Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley, a Democrat from Tucson, said the country now faces a challenge of overcoming polarizing politics. His political aide witnessed the shootings and applied pressure to Giffords' wounds, he said.

"The question is, can we come together as a state and can we come together as a country and sort of put this harsh hyper-rhetoric that has caused people who are a little unhinged in the first place to go over the edge?" Farley told CNN.

"This country is something that deserves no less than a politics that rises above violence," he added.

McCain, the state's Republican senator, said he was "horrified by the violent attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and many other innocent people by a wicked person who has no sense of justice or compassion. ... Whoever did this, whatever their reason, they are a disgrace to Arizona, this country and the human race, and they deserve and will receive the contempt of all decent people and the strongest punishment of the law."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, was among the many other lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who quickly condemned the shooting. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society," he said.

Former U.S. Rep. John Boccieri, a Democrat from Ohio, was threatened last year when a man said he would burn down Boccieri's house. The man is facing jail time.

That threat came amid "the heat of the debate over the health care issue," Boccieri told CNN Sunday. "Intimidation and threats of violence have no realm in our public discourse. We should make sure that we hold folks accountable like that and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law."

In the wake of the shooting in Arizona, Boccieri said, "I would hope that our country would appeal to its better senses so we could tone down the heated rhetoric and discuss with a degree of civility these important concepts and issues."
He added, "Both sides, in my opinion, are guilty of this and we know that folks are struggling, they're at last end's rope in some instances, and some of this rhetoric could push folks over the top."

But Boccieri also warned against deciding too soon what may have fueled the Arizona shooter, since the facts of the case are still being investigated.

The U.S. House of Representatives agreed Saturday that it will cease any discussion next week about repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms -- a law opposed by many Arizona Republicans and voters in a November ballot measure -- and instead address Saturday's shootings.
Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer said she was saddened by the mass shooting.

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," Kremer said. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."

Seems like a lot of lawmakers and officials think the same thing...yet I am wrong.

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

Anarchy isn't "leftist" at all.
McVeigh was as far right wing as you can get

BOY, struck a nerve, didn't I? And truth be told, I never stated that anarchy was Leftist. I stated that anarchy was a "Favorite goal" of the Left, because once anarchy was achieved, Statists could then assume control and clamp down on Liberty.

If you would take the time, in your busy schedule, and play the link in my signature, you would know what I am talking about.

And insults get you nowhere, especially when your post is completely wrong.

I am merely stating FACT. If it comes out as an insult, to the willingly insulted, I must blame it on my lack of tact. But perhaps you may wish to change your outlook on the political economy.

And perhaps you could show me where I am 'Wrong'? Please explain this, ok? I'll wait for you to present some lucidity here.

[JaJae]

The title of this thread is insanely ironic.

I made a funny...

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The title of this thread is insanely ironic.

I made a funny...

Are we back to thread title bashing again? I know it's what you resort to when you have a toy soldier stuck in your nose...but please...let's address the point and facts in the thread.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Are we back to thread title bashing again? I know it's what you resort to when you have a toy soldier stuck in your nose...but please...let's address the point and facts in the thread.

Facts of the thread?

You have facts linking your conspiracy theory together? It's too soon to know what this mentally ill person was thinking. Associating it with Sara Palin is a bit premature and it clearly shows "what happens when rhetoric gets out of control." How ironic.

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The title of this thread is insanely ironic.

I made a funny...

Yes, deliciously ironic.

But even more ironic was the fact that the Fake Media, and certain elements of the left, were first out the gate, blaming this act of violence upon the crazy wacko right wing.

Of course they had to hustle quickly before the truth had a chance to get it's pants on.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Facts of the thread?

You have facts linking your conspiracy theory together? It's too soon to know what this mentally ill person was thinking. Associating it with Sara Palin is a bit premature and it clearly shows "what happens when rhetoric gets out of control." How ironic.

There's no "conspiracy theory" mentioned. We are in a nasty political climate at this time...worse than I've ever seen. Worse than many have seen. To think it has nothing to do with violence towards a politician is plain ignorant. But please...place your blinders on because it was a Democrat shot.

I didn't BLAME anyone. I also didn't say JUST THE RIGHT. I said rhetoric in general...both sides...all sides.


But please...tell me more about my posts.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

There's no "conspiracy theory" mentioned.

It was clearly insinuated in the first post. If this were a Muslim shooting a Republican or a Hispanic shooting a Republican would you jump to the same conclusions?

I didn't BLAME anyone. I also didn't say JUST THE RIGHT. I said rhetoric in general...both sides...all sides.

"This is a direct result of the right's bullshit." - Donkey

Hell even your thread tags: fox news, haters

Give me a fucking break.

[The Great Catpiss]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It was clearly insinuated in the first post. If this were a Muslim shooting a Republican or a Hispanic shooting a Republican would you jump to the same conclusions?


"This is a direct result of the right's bullshit." - Donkey

Hell even your thread tags: fox news, haters

Give me a fucking break.

[The Great Catpiss]

So from what I read, the shooter is a registered democrat. Friends describe him as a left wing political nut.

It seems that everything in the OP might just backfire. OOPS?

Some liberal rags were quick to blame republicans. I doubt they will apologize or retract their statements.

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by The Great Catpiss

At least that Jackass is being put to good use, anyway.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It was clearly insinuated in the first post. If this were a Muslim shooting a Republican or a Hispanic shooting a Republican would you jump to the same conclusions?


"This is a direct result of the right's bullshit." - Donkey

Hell even your thread tags: fox news, haters

Give me a fucking break.

No, give ME a fucking break and learn english.

Originally Posted by me

"I am also not blaming JUST the right...but at this time...it's mostly them."

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by The Great Catpiss

So from what I read, the shooter is a registered democrat. Friends describe him as a left wing political nut.

It seems that everything in the OP might just backfire. OOPS?

Some liberal rags were quick to blame republicans. I doubt they will apologize or retract their statements.

Thank God the OP doesn't blame JUST the right for stuff like this. I blame whatever school you went to for a lack of language abilities.