GOP Voter Suppression Operation seems to be underway

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Originally Posted by 7960

I was using the perspective of a reasonable person.

But if the number of complaints = how serious the issue is, I'm going to start complaining to the FCC about all the air time these political ads are taking on TV. I think my TV is becoming nearly unusable because of all the ads and I want them stopped. Sure I could turn off my TV but that would require personal responsibility on my part...I want someone else to take responsibility and get all the ads off all the channels instead.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Look up James Tobin.

fake edit: Jurors Return Mixed Phone-Jamming Verdict

For nearly two hours on Election Day 2002, hundreds of hang-up calls overwhelmed Democratic get-out-the-vote phone banks in New Hampshire and a ride-to-the-polls line run by Manchester's firefighters union.

Nothing similar. These calls are giving information about the democratic candidate and why not to vote for him/her.

[motivez]

It's all about voter suppression.. the phone calls being made now are against law. Regulation requires they state who is paying for the call and who is calling at the start of it

They aren't doing that because this tactic allows them to harass and frustrate their opponents base into not voting. Sucks that it works, but it works, and it's illegal.

Just because they're not exactly the same doesn't mean it's not just as bad. I'd say this one is technically worse because it's harassing voters themselves rather than phone banks.. this one is all about keeping people from wanting to vote, the Tobin incident was about preventing the Democratic establishment from helping people who wanted to vote get to the polls.

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

Look up James Tobin.

fake edit: Jurors Return Mixed Phone-Jamming Verdict

Already commented on that exact case in this thread.

It has NOTHING to do with what throwgrim says is happening today.... NOTHING.

[motivez]

It has everything to do with it. It's a slightly different tactic with the same goal in mind.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

It has everything to do with it. It's a slightly different tactic with the same goal in mind.

they both used phones. Yup, exactly the same

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

Regulation requires they state who is paying for the call and who is calling at the start of it

it must state that at the start of the call?

link to regulations, please

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

It has everything to do with it. It's a slightly different tactic with the same goal in mind.

No. Jamming the "get out the vote" center for 2hrs by repeatedly calling them every 5 seconds is completely different than calling an individual's home 2-4 times/day.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

the phone calls being made now are against law. Regulation requires they state who is paying for the call and who is calling at the start of it

It does? Is that state or federal law?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 7960

No. Jamming the "get out the vote" center for 2hrs by repeatedly calling them every 5 seconds is completely different than calling an individual's home 2-4 times/day.

Sorry, it's a different tactic with the same goal in mind. I'd like to see your evidence of "2-4 times/day". Just because you have recieved a similar call doesn't mean it's part of this multi-district effort or the same things.

The reports are that this thing continues to call people over and over continuously, through all hours of the night, and doesn't stop. If someone hangs up, it immediately calls them back, and so on and so forth.

Also, again, you're leaving out the other types of calls telling people they'll be arrested, have criminal charges filed against them, telling them their voting location has changed, etc..

It's all part of the same sphere of events with one goal: Preventing Democratic voters from voting.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Sorry, it's a different tactic with the same goal in mind. I'd like to see your evidence of "2-4 times/day". Just because you have recieved a similar call doesn't mean it's part of this multi-district effort or the same things.

The reports are that this thing continues to call people over and over continuously, through all hours of the night, and doesn't stop. If someone hangs up, it immediately calls them back, and so on and so forth.

Also, again, you're leaving out the other types of calls telling people they'll be arrested, have criminal charges filed against them, telling them their voting location has changed, etc..

It's all part of the same sphere of events with one goal: Preventing Democratic voters from voting.

Where are you pulling all this stuff from? Links, please! And don't let it be Kos for Christ sakes.

[motivez]

Look at the Webb campaign website if you want evidence. There are news stories in almost every major outlet today and last evening on television about it

It's a Candidate Calling. Again. - washingtonpost.com

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Originally Posted by motivez

Look at the Webb campaign website if you want evidence. There are news stories in almost every major outlet today and last evening on television about it

It's a Candidate Calling. Again. - washingtonpost.com

It's been all over my local news here as well.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Look at the Webb campaign website if you want evidence. There are news stories in almost every major outlet today and last evening on television about it

It's a Candidate Calling. Again. - washingtonpost.com

Thanks. After reading the story....

The reports are that this thing continues to call people over and over continuously, through all hours of the night, and doesn't stop. If someone hangs up, it immediately calls them back, and so on and so forth.

Not found.

Also, again, you're leaving out the other types of calls telling people they'll be arrested, have criminal charges filed against them, telling them their voting location has changed, etc..

Not found

It's all part of the same sphere of events with one goal: Preventing Democratic voters from voting.

Again, not found




What I did find was...

Angela Elliott, a Fairfax Circle resident who is registered as an independent and has been getting more Democratic calls than Republican ones.

lexandria section of Fairfax County, said he has been getting an average of three to five automated calls per day from both Democrats and Republicans.

Federal Communications Commission guidelines saying the originators of automated calls must identify themselves at the beginning of each call....

..the requirement does not apply to political nonprofit organizations

[motivez]

That's one article, because you wanted a source and I was reading it at the time.

There's plenty others, and hundreds of reports of the robo calls in districts in VA and other races of near continuous calls.

And, just because that article doesn't mention it doesn't mean it's not happening. Again, look on the Webb campaign website if you want proof.

The "Democratic calls" he's getting are really Republican calls masquerading as information about a Democratic candidate designed to annoy the voter into not voting.. that's the whole point, read the thread, it's been pointed out.

The Democrats do have their own get out the vote machine with calls, but it's nothing like what's going on right now on the Republican side.

[motivez]

Sec. of Virginia State Board of Elections Finds Widespread Incidents of Voter Suppression

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

Sorry, it's a different tactic with the same goal in mind. I'd like to see your evidence of "2-4 times/day". Just because you have recieved a similar call doesn't mean it's part of this multi-district effort or the same things.

Oh, OK... so show me a complaint from ANY individual who says s/he got so many calls s/he couldn't make a call.

The reports are that this thing continues to call people over and over continuously, through all hours of the night, and doesn't stop. If someone hangs up, it immediately calls them back, and so on and so forth.

Show me. I've seen people complain because they're on the no-call list and still got calls, and complain about getting calls early in the morning and late in the evening, but I haven't seen any complaints that say they got so many calls they couldn't make a call.

Other than them both using a phone, these are completely different.

[motivez]

Just because it's not calling 24 hours a day doesn't mean it doesn't have the same intended effect of suppressing the vote.

Again, the goal is what's important -- suppression of the vote, not the method. It's wrong no matter how it's done.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

Just because it's not calling 24 hours a day doesn't mean it doesn't have the same intended effect of suppressing the vote.

Again, the goal is what's important -- suppression of the vote, not the method. It's wrong no matter how it's done.

Sounds like the goal to me is to give a message and say, these are the reasons you shouldn't be voting democrat.