Last night I was watching a movie called ' Obsession ' on Fox News. It was a nice compilation on radical Islam, terrorism, and its war on the West. It was very informative, and quite chilling. I suggest everyone watch it, even if you think it's biased or propaganda. No ...
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11-06-2006, 11:56 AM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You 
| Obsession: film on radical Islam and its path to global reign Last night I was watching a movie called 'Obsession' on Fox News. It was a nice compilation on radical Islam, terrorism, and its war on the West. It was very informative, and quite chilling. I suggest everyone watch it, even if you think it's biased or propaganda. No matter what you think, it's all true (most of it is captured in video or audio) and is a real wake-up call to those that don't believe this War on Terror is real. One of the most interesting things that struck me was this; almost every country in the world is dealing with this problem, the problem of radical Islamists trying to take over the government, influence the government, kill their people, etc. No matter what region in the world you go, you are sure to find it. This is a serious issue, and the war the US has engaged in is far beyond what most think it is. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:12 PM
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| Dirty Liberal  Democrat South Jersey
| It's not a war. Global terrorism is a problem in the same way that AIDS , poverty, and hunger are a problem. We don't go and declare war on those other things. Terrorism is no different. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:14 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 It's very possible you would change your mind after seeing this video. It is statements made such as yours that make me think people's view of this war is very short-sided; they don't understand what is really happening. This is a war, and we are not fighting this alone. As I've stated in previous threads, the goal of Bush and co. is to gather the world forces together to fight this together, as no one country can do it alone. 
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11-06-2006, 12:23 PM
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| Junkie libertarian
| This is why we need alt energy, so we can pull all money out of hte middle east and let those peopel go back to living in sand huts | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:28 PM
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| Originally Posted by hsmith I don't think most people realize the nature of these people. I agree with the alternative energy issue, but this will not end the desire of these people to take over the world.
What it's come down to is this; radical Islam has taken over a large percentage of Muslims as a whole. Their beliefs, ideas, and desires, while not a part of regular Islam, have become accepted into the mainstream. Whether out of fear or acceptance has yet to be determined, but the point is they are gaining power each and every day. It's all over the world, in many countries. Their desire is to elminate all other religions, and take over all countries in the world. They justify this by their religious fanaticism. They are, and have been, waging a war all over the world for the past few decades. And this isn't limited to the US and the UK, or Israel. It's everywhere. Having an alternative fuel source won't change their desires. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:31 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
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11-06-2006, 12:47 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz I watched it. And it was total propoganda. What they are talking about, they are not the first to say this. Because the Christian Right has been talking about the Islamic domination for years now. They believe too that Radical Islam has a goal of world domination. And even people like my Mother, voted for Bush because she believed that he would be the true Born Again Christian he said he was and bring the conflict to the table, which he did.
The fact is, is that religion has had a mounting irritation with the West for a long time. And now because of Oil they finally have some money to get their message heard. It's not very different than when Christians tried to reclaim the Holy Lands during the Crusades, or the mass conversions of the Inquisition. Except this time America has taken issue because it's against us.
__________________ "People are selfish. But they can also be compassionate and generous, and they care about the country. But not when they feel threatened. That's why this is such a crucial time. We can go in either direction. But if we don't make a choice soon, it will be too late to turn things around. I think people are willing to make the right choice. But they need leadership. They're hungry for leadership." BK/1968 | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:49 PM
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| minor irritant &/or non-entity News Moderator Contrarian Birmingham, UK
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Proof
In general there is some shoddy language use going on in this field. Terrorism is a military tactic typically employed by the ' very much weaker' side in an asymetrical conflict. A varient of it used used by ruling regimes to suppress public dissent. It is more or less meaningless to declare a 'war 'against it Meanwhile Jihadism or Islamofacsism or Calliphatism is a political struggle that is a threat to world security & has, (like many other causes), employed terrorism as a military tactic. Countering such factions depends upon isolating their appeal within their constituency. Their puritanical & idealogical absolutism does a pretty good job of this to start with. In reality it is only in places where the state has failed and anarchic chaos rules that their ability to bring order has ever succeed in winning them widespread support. Thewy have used 9/11 to provoke a reaction that has created another failed, (failing?) state I could go on but i'm very nearly out of time, ..., damn etc | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:52 PM
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| Originally Posted by IminWonderland Propaganda? They were taking video and audio clips straight from Islamic TV, from their preaching, etc. There was nothing created by the people that put the movie together. I mean, did you see the 3 yr old girl talking about how Jews were 'ages and pigs'? Talk about propaganda...
This isn't the first time it's been said, but this is the first time it's been compiled so we can get a clear picture about what is really going on. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:57 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz But they took bits and pieces and are applying to everyone there.
Would it be fair to say the movie Jesusland is accurate of all christians? | ||||
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11-06-2006, 12:59 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Tha'ts not what they did at all. You obviously didn't see the movie.
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11-06-2006, 12:59 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| There are always bad people out there that want to harm us. Even within our own country. You could make a similar video about the KKK or any other such hate group. These terrorists happen to be wide spread but it's not a war. People throw around that term so loosley now that it has lost all meaning. The president calls it a war and then decries that he has special powers because we are at war. I don't buy it. It's a global problem, it's been there for hundreds of years. it's not new. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 01:00 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz I don't need to see yet another rehash of the same garbage over and over to know what it is.
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11-06-2006, 01:03 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent But that's not what it is, so you're wrong.
 They explicitly said, as I did in my first post, that this was only a minority percentage of all of Islam, but they question the silence of the majority; is it fear or support? They specifically say they hope it's fear that keeps the majority of Islam silent. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 01:14 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
 Yes they did. I was waiting for the actual information to start because the first 10 minutes of the hour program was dramatic music and sound bites, and excerpts of speeches. At that point, it lost credibility.I don't doubt the message, because I am sure there is this faction that wants this...but I think Fox news airs this in this manner, and right now for election purposes. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 01:17 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland When you take their own words, how does it lose credibility?
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11-06-2006, 01:37 PM
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| Deuteronomy 32:41  Paleolibertarian USA
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Yes we do!
War on Drugs, War on Poverty, etc. These wars on concepts are diseases that politicians use to infect us with their agenda of enslaving us. The War on Poverty stretches all the way back to LBJ (War on Poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) The War on Drugs is costing so much money it's unreal, yet you can still go downtown and buy crack, crystal meth, or pot. (War On Drugs Clock) The War on Terror is just the latest weapon the elite have begun to use. They created the very enemy they claim to be protecting us from, and all the while we're being taxed, monitored, and arrested at an alarming rate, while the evil terrorists loom over us like the bogeyman from storybooks.
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11-06-2006, 01:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by AVengeance That's exactly my point. We call these things wars but they are not wars. Call it a struggle or a conflict or whatever you feel like calling it.. but not war.
Here is my main problem with calling it a "war". War is something specific. It's in our constitution and was put there with the understanding that war was a major armed conflict between 2 or more nations. It states in the constitution that only congress has the authority to declare war. War has a start and war has an end. With war, it has been established over time that the president has expanded powers. He can take steps that he might not be allowed to take during normal peactime, and rightfully so. If the nation is involved in a war , a real war, like WWI, WWII, etc... the President needs to be able to take steps to fight that war. Our very survival could be at stake. Now if you start calling everything a war, and you have the president claiming expanded powers ( as Bush has ) because he himself has declared war on terror, or war on drugs, or war on pornogrpahy, etc.. you have a president who can expand his own powers at will and without oversight. That is not a president, that is an elected king and it was expressly what our founding fathers wanted to prevent, and so put in place a system of checks and balances to do it. So no.. no I don't think we are at "War". Is there a global problem with islamic extremists? You better believe there is. Do I want my country to do something about it? Of course. Do I want my president to recind my constitutionally protected rights without oversight and without decree from congress? HELL FUCKING NO. | ||||
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11-06-2006, 02:01 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz At the point it was a chopped up scary montage with spooky music and burning American flags...yeah...it lost credibility.
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