Iran willing to share it's missile technology

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 01:30 PM

Iran has said it is willing to share its missile technology with friends and neighbors. This is just more to add to the suspicion that if it did in fact have nuclear technology, it would also be willing to share that. It's only a matter of time.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

This is just more to add to the suspicion that if it did in fact have nuclear technology, it would also be willing to share that.

one does not follow from the other? why would any country share nuclear technology. the entire point of nuclear technology is that it makes you powerful because not everyone else has it. it's counter productive to start giving it away once you finally get it.

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

one does not follow from the other? why would any country share nuclear technology. the entire point of nuclear technology is that it makes you powerful because not everyone else has it. it's counter productive to start giving it away once you finally get it.

Not true. The point of nuclear technology is that one is not willing to use it for fear that it will be used on them in response.

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Not true. The point of nuclear technology is that one is not willing to use it for fear that it will be used on them in response.

Non-nuclear nations can still be protected by that fear when they have friends who are nuclear.

I have never had a problem with nations sharing nuclear power technology. As a matter of fact, I would prefer a nation such as ours enable nations who need it the most (populous nations with a large wealth disparity) since we are well versed in precautions needed. I think it is actually irresponsible for us to NOT share our knowledge with nations who want it and plan to develop it themselves because it sets them up for possible failure (eg. Chernobyl... not that we could have prevented it, but we have the know-how to prevent those situations from happening in burgeoning nations).

It is a shame that a by-product of nuclear power is weapons grade materials... but we have technology which greatly reduces the amount of weapons grade waste and increases power efficiency, and instead of sharing that technology, we sit on it which only results in hostilities with nations like Iran, plus when they do nuclear enable themselves, they'll have dirtier power and more weapons grade materials than they would have had before (better allowing them to start their own stockpile... or sell them...).

Sharing is caring

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Sharing is caring

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 03:25 PM

The day some terrorist bombs the US with some nuclear-type bomb, neither of you will be saying 'sharing is caring'.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The day some terrorist bombs the US with some nuclear-type bomb, neither of you will be saying 'sharing is caring'.

I'm just kidding. I don't advocate nuclear proliferation, but I also don't see what can be done about it either. It's inevitable, unless you're willing to invade places like NK and Iran to stop it, which is unrealistic. But I also think it's self limiting because it's counter productive to give away nukes after working so hard to get them, and MAD applies to nations even if they give them to other countries or terrorists who then use them.

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The day some terrorist bombs the US with some nuclear-type bomb, neither of you will be saying 'sharing is caring'.

God forbid that ever happen, but we have created hatred for ourselves over there. I hope we can wake up to that fact before it gets nuclear-serious. It's all fun and games while we're just killing shit tons of brownies on the other side of the world, but when the fight spills onto our streets, it gets a bit more real. I think people are starting to realize... I have faith that we'll be fixing our problems soon and stop creating new ones.

But then, I tend to be optimistic about my fellow Americans.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

But then, I tend to be optimistic about my fellow Americans.

Really? I'm not. I think it's quite distressing that the same people who elected Dubya twice control the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

Scrum · 11-06-2006, 03:51 PM

We have shared nuclear tech with a country that didn't sign the NPT.

We don't have much room to criticize other countries for sharing technology.

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Really? I'm not. I think it's quite distressing that the same people who elected Dubya twice control the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

Distressing, yes... but we do still have a system in place to toss control around to other irresponsible people

You're thinking too short term.. I'm thinking that soon people are going to realize shit needs to change. If I had a way to make that realization happen quicker, believe me, I'd be doing it. All I got is my typed words, and you guys are the only people that read that

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

We have shared nuclear tech with a country that didn't sign the NPT.

We don't have much room to criticize other countries for sharing technology.

but we WILL

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

but we have created hatred for ourselves over there.

I disagree; I believe that hatred has always been there. I think we've just provided them with excuses to embolden themselves.

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I disagree; I believe that hatred has always been there. I think we've just provided them with excuses to embolden themselves.

Always? How long is always? 1776 always? 1492 always?

I think it's 1950 always, which isn't always at all. We've meddled increasingly since after the second world war.

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Always? How long is always? 1776 always? 1492 always?

I think it's 1950 always, which isn't always at all. We've meddled increasingly since after the second world war.

Since before the Crusades always? The Bible even predicted that Muslims would always be at war with Christians.

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Since before the Crusades always? The Bible even predicted that Muslims would always be at war with Christians.

America didn't exist back then. So what are you talking about?

Or are you trying to say that we inherited their hatred for Britain (which was also founded)?

I can't buy that because LOTS of enemies of the Brits became our friends once we went against them. Hell, it even insighted others to do the same. We had to have been getting spices from somewhere in early America... I don't want to look it up specifically, but I'd be willing to bet we had good trade relationships with the middle east 250 years ago.

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

America didn't exist back then. So what are you talking about?

Or are you trying to say that we inherited their hatred for Britain (which was also founded)?

I can't buy that because LOTS of enemies of the Brits became our friends once we went against them. Hell, it even insighted others to do the same. We had to have been getting spices from somewhere in early America... I don't want to look it up specifically, but I'd be willing to bet we had good trade relationships with the middle east 250 years ago.

In reference to my other thread, the war with radical Islam is not solely between America and radical Islam, it's between the whole world and radical Islam. This is a broader hatred than you're allowing yourself to admit. This is a hatred for western civilization; a hatred for other religions; a hatred for anything other than what they are. They hate other Muslims. They hate everyone, and everyone in the world is dealing with them. This hatred for everyone else different from them stems back eons ago. And that is the hatred they still hold today.

So like I said, this is not a hatred that we have caused. It's a hatred they've always had, and they continue to politicize and make excuses, making people like yourself believe it our fault.

Ardentfrost · 11-06-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

In reference to my other thread, the war with radical Islam is not solely between America and radical Islam, it's between the whole world and radical Islam. This is a broader hatred than you're allowing yourself to admit. This is a hatred for western civilization; a hatred for other religions; a hatred for anything other than what they are. They hate other Muslims. They hate everyone, and everyone in the world is dealing with them. This hatred for everyone else different from them stems back eons ago. And that is the hatred they still hold today.

So like I said, this is not a hatred that we have caused. It's a hatred they've always had, and they continue to politicize and make excuses, making people like yourself believe it our fault.

Even if that's true, I STILL don't think we should be helping their cause by going in and trying to control them. We should turn our focus on our own safety and make sure our security measures are actually worth a damn. By bombing the shit out of them and taking over countries and shit like that, we are only causing more sympathy for them and legitimizing their hatred.

But that's a lot different than Iran, since Iran has certainly not always hated us. They didn't hate us until we installed their prez and they hated THAT. They overthrew him and have hated us ever since.