The "new pot" thats legal?

[DosEquis]

ABC 4 - Salvia Divinorum: A legal herb, powerful like LSD, and available in Utah

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Methamphetamine. Cocaine. LSD. We've all heard how dangerous, even deadly, these drugs can be. But have you heard of salvia divinorum? It's an herb, but some call it the world's most potent natural hallucinogen.

Kathy and Dennis Chidester of Delaware say it took their son's life. They know their son Brett used salvia. But when they confronted him about it, he pointed out that it was legal and insisted it was not dangerous. But they say it caused him to commit suicide in their garage earlier this year.

Dennis said, "he was lying in the fetal position on his jacket. And right away, I felt his body was cold. And so I called 911 and said, my son -- you know, my son's committed suicide."

Kathy said, "there was no way that he would ever do anything like that. Not the son that I knew. Not the boy that we raised."

The suicide note Brett left behind talked about how he had learned the secret of life. And although medical officials dispute whether he died directly because of salvia, it has prompted legislation that has now banned the herb in four states.

But salvia is still legal in most states, including Utah. And it's something most parents have never even heard of. So ABC 4 wanted to find out how easy it is to buy it right in our own backyard.

Many wonder what could really be wrong with a natural herb that is actually a cousin of the sage plant. But some who smoke it say it can cause extreme visualization and hallucination, even intense laughter and meditational epiphanies.

That's why it's so important for parents to know what can happen when salvia falls into inexperienced or irresponsible hands.

A clerk in one Salt Lake City store that sells salvia said, "Salvia is based all on your threshold, so if you smoke too much of it, you have a bad trip. You either get a weird feeling or you get giggly and bubbly kinda like you would off of pot."

And here's how easy it is for anybody to get salvia right here in Utah. We sent an undercover buyer into the Wizards and Dreams store in Sugarhouse. The store clerk said, "I got some new salvia."

We found Purple Sticky Salvia, sold for $84.99. It's cleverly marketed as aromatic incense, even though the seller told us all about how to smoke it. He suggests having someone watch you when you do, that it's not safe to do alone. "Just make sure you have one person sober. Some people say the first time, oh, it didn't work so I took a second pull and it f---ed me up. So I've just been told to say it's a spiritual journey."

Around the corner, at Elemental Inspirations, we were also able to buy salvia, although the owner did ask to see an ID. Salvia is not supposed to be sold to anyone under the age of 18. This time, we heard about another person's wild hallucinations. "She took one hit of the 10x salvia and she was gone. She was like, oh it's a bad trip, oh my gosh."

A distant relative to the sage mint plant, salvia's primarily grown in Mexico. But today its sold at stores in the US. And more and more teens are finding they can buy it online.

Although technically an herb, the US Drug Enforcement Agency lists salvia as a "Drug of Concern."

Jason Mazuran, a narcotics expert with DrugTALK said, "I think it could be compared to LSD, some have compared it to peyote."

And while store owners told our undercover buyer numerous stories about salvia's mind altering effects, when ABC 4's Erika Edberg went in she got quite a different story. ABC 4 asks, "do you guys sell salvia here? Wizards and Dreams store owner responds, I don't. I used to and I discontinued it. I've actually discontinued it twice."

But when our reporter noticed it on display, the owner's story changed. "I didn't even know we had any left." He refused to talk about salvia on camera.

And while the woman at Elemental Inspirations told our undercover buyer exactly how to use it. You would take your one hit. You wouldn't pass it. You'd hold it. Exhale. Take your next hit. You'd take all of your three hits at once. It should be roughly three to five minutes by the time you get the pipe back, if you haven't automatically started hitting into the hallucination part you take your next one to two hits one right after the other without passing the pipe. When I asked I didn't get any helpful tips. "We don't want people playing with it or buying it as something to play around with. We want serious people who are looking to use it for its qualities."

And while answers like that and marketing ploys may fool some. Mazuran says, "the aromatic incense thing is, it's ridiculous. Come on. Everybody knows what's going on."

Drug experts say parents need to be more aware of salvia's potentially dangerous effects. Mazuran said, "the greater risk of salvia is not really the health effects but what people may or may not do or the choices they make while they're under the influence of that drug."

Because of Brett Chidester's death, the Delaware Legislature outlawed salvia divinorums use. Louisiana, Missouri, and Tennessee also have laws against salvia in their states. New York, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Illinois, and Alaska are currently considering proposals to ban it.

So what about Utah? ABC 4 called the state attorney general's office to see if any efforts were underway to make it illegal here. But the people we spoke with say they had never heard of salvia divinorum before. And it was only our inquiries that brought this dangerous herb to their attention.

So far, the Food and Drug Administration has not done any studies to determine the long-term health effects of salvia.

I have also.. never heard of such a drug and quite curious as to why it has taken so long for the feds to catch up to it. Apparently shops sell it as incense and it does look quite expensive. Smoke it and it is real trippy. Sickguy should hit a few and start drawing

[lew]

[Scrum]

I wish they would just legalize them all and save us a lot of trouble.

Instead they will get rid of this too.

[lew]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

And although medical officials dispute whether he died directly because of salvia, it has prompted legislation that has now banned the herb in four states.

[Kytro]

The usual any drug that someone takes for "fun" is bad. Except booze

[IminWonderland]

Heard of it, never tried it....

But I'd prepare for this to be Class A in no time.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

ABC 4 - Salvia Divinorum: A legal herb, powerful like LSD, and available in Utah



I have also.. never heard of such a drug and quite curious as to why it has taken so long for the feds to catch up to it. Apparently shops sell it as incense and it does look quite expensive. Smoke it and it is real trippy. Sickguy should hit a few and start drawing

It's a shamanistic drug, seperates mind from body. Or seperates your awareness from being in the phsyical dimensions to a state of pure consciousness. Lasts for a maximum 15 minutes (usually less at 4 - 9 minutes) and then you are absolutely back to normal with no known or observable after-effects.

It's used for purposes of divining God's will into your own life, and notably this compound (Salvinorin A) does not work like any other neurotransmitter known to man. Salvinorin A is absorbed into and inside of neural nerve cells instead of just bonding to receptors, which is what all current medicine, all current hallucinogens, and all current natural compounds do. Salvia Divinorum is uniqe in this way.

[Nonphixion]

Salvia is actually an anti-addictant. If you look at the earlier studies into this drug which have indeed started decades ago, Salvia is nothing at all like pot, cocaine, or even LSD. In fact it is wildly different in it's effect and makeup. Scientific trials show that this compound actually elimates the need or drive for addiction. As in; subjects were immune to any previous alcoholism, nicotine addiction ... or otherwise that some subjects had indicated they had before taking Salvia Divinorum.

Here you will find a team of psychologists evaluating the drug on 2 subjects (an international journalist and a modern user) and upon these people what would be it's possible benefits for future medicine.




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[KatKanPlay]

I have never heard of this either and Im not exactly a right wing spring chicken. We have a plethra of salvia's that grow in south Texas, Im interested in seeing a picture of the plant.

The use of sage for divination goes back before written history . I am just amazed it has been kept such a secret or maybe I just wasnt paying attention.

[garbagemanlb]

I've had friends try it. They said nothing happened. They sell it here in Oregon.

[Stylerod]

They are always talking about it on OTAH

[SoFlaJDM]

www.club13.com ... i've never tried it, but i've heard things about it

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

www.club13.com ... i've never tried it, but i've heard things about it

Un-professional, I would go;

IAM-Shaman.com

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Kathy said, "there was no way that he would ever do anything like that. Not the son that I knew. Not the boy that we raised."

bla bla fucking bla...same story every time from every parent. this is how every drug gets criminalized because some dipshit parent needs to scapegoat their retarded child's behavior on drugs.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

And on a related note, there's also kratom, which is supposedly like an opiate but completely natural. It's legal in America but illegal in a lot of other countries...that is, until some moron kid does something stupid on it, and an overzealous law maker makes it his quest to criminalize it.

[nbiggershaft]

My friend took it a few years ago, he tripped balls. Take with people you trust.

[Kytro]

It appears Australia was one of the first countries to ban it even though there was no evidence of abuse. It was a ban because it "could be abused".

Seems almost impossible to catch people out growing it though

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

bla bla fucking bla...same story every time from every parent. this is how every drug gets criminalized because some dipshit parent needs to scapegoat their retarded child's behavior on drugs.

[JaJae]

My old roommates in college bought some of the internet and had it delivered to school. They experimented with it. It tripped em out pretty bad.

[SICKGUY]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

ABC 4 - Salvia Divinorum: A legal herb, powerful like LSD, and available in Utah



I have also.. never heard of such a drug and quite curious as to why it has taken so long for the feds to catch up to it. Apparently shops sell it as incense and it does look quite expensive. Smoke it and it is real trippy. Sickguy should hit a few and start drawing

its not new, and for as much as they charge for the shit, ill stick to the herbs