Nasrallah tells Muslims 'US will abandon you, just like they did Vietnam'

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 04:24 PM

So the radical Muslim terrorists believe that we will leave Iraq and abandon the people over there to their fate, just as we did in Vietnam.

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Even more reason we should stay until we feel comfortable leaving.

WickedLou9 · 11-06-2006, 04:25 PM

wait so they kill us because they don't want us there but they are condemning us because we are going to leave.

yeah it's more rhetoric and nonsense from the islamic jihad movement.

Scrum · 11-06-2006, 04:26 PM

Yeah!

Let let more soldiers die from a mistake just despite them. That will teach 'em!

motivez · 11-06-2006, 05:22 PM

Nasrallah is just saying what he thinks is going to win him more support.

The extremists want us there because we're providing a new generation of terrorists with hands on training in an urban environment against the best equipped and trained military on earth, we're great at helping them recruit people willing to die for their cause.

The normal people want us out because we're (by proxy and directly) making their lives miserable, getting tons of them killed in the crossfire, and so on and so forth.

Nasrallah's comments are nothing more than a cheap attempt to provoke people IMO.

Phantom · 11-06-2006, 05:34 PM

I think he's right.

I don't see us putting things better in Iraq, and eventually we will leave.

WickedLou9 · 11-06-2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

I don't understand why people woudln't see right through that. Of course we will eventually leave them on thier own. they SHOULD be on thier own. They should take care of themselves. They aren't children.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

This is about as rational as getting into a fight because someone calls you chicken.

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 06:14 PM

Oh, and Nasrallah is right. We left Vietnam because it was a quagmire and the same goes for Iraq. You guys can puff your chests and talk about cutting and running, but you'll change your tune eventually. What do you think will happen? We'll kill all the insurgents? The insurgents will decide jihad is overrated? The Iraqis will put thousands of years of sectarian hatred aside and decide to unite peacefully?

It's a total fucking pipe dream. I agree that leaving would be horrible because Islamists would take over Iraq, but WTF do you plan to do instead? Have Iraq be our 100 year Vietnam? Occupy the place forever?

Nasrallah is just putting 2 and 2 together, something it seems neocons cannot, because they're either too short sighted or are living in a pipe dream where everything will be peachy if we just stay a little longer.

ballz2wallz · 11-06-2006, 06:17 PM

It was a victory for the Vietnamese when we left, and it will be a victory for the terrorists if we leave Iraq.

Donkey® · 11-06-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It was a victory for the terrorists when they made our military look like shit because of poor leadership and planning. "They" could be the "terrorists" "insurgents" or "US Administration" for all I care.

WickedLou9 · 11-06-2006, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

What terrorists? You mean the different sects that live in Iraq fighting amoungst eachother? Which group will have won if we leave? The SUni? The Shia? The Kurds? Who wins?

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-06-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It would also be a victory for the terrorists if we get bogged down in Iraq for the next 50 years, which apparently you want.

Donkey® · 11-06-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The only thing Iraq and Vietnam have in common are that they are two countries we had no business invading in the first place.

Kytro · 11-06-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The thing is they are going to win either way. The US eventually has to leave Iraq and unless something changes the terrorists will still be there to declare victory when they do.

DosEquis · 11-07-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It was a victory for the terrorists the day we showed up and removed Saddam.

Nonphixion · 11-07-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

In all fairness we do have Kissenger advising Bush, just as he advised in Vietnam. So maybe Nasrallah is smarter than Bush's Iraq strategists.

It would certainly seem so, the plans drafted by generals called for 400,000 troops just to keep stability and have the country sit above the brink of chaos. To turn it around completely (as we're tryng to do now) would call for several hundred thousand more. So of course Rummy says "send in 125,000 with no armor and lets call it a day."

avsp · 11-07-2006, 12:02 PM

OK, the cold war was won despite the 'defeat' of vietnam

there is no point in staying if there is no chance of 'winning', (definined as providing enough security to enable reconstruction to a point where the Iraqi standard of living is greater than that prior to GW1)

there is no chance of 'winning' with < 5,000,000 (1,000,000?) troops

there is, seemingly, currently, little chance of getting that number of troops nor of getting the coalition peoples to committ to a long stay

thus 'premature pull out' is inevitable

so aims now must be to minimise the chances of escalation to a regional conflict

how EXACTLY this is to be achieved remains unclear at present.
Intra-Shia conflict is to be avoided & the strategic needs of Iran & Syria played off against each other.
How the various religious-secular & political-military balances within Turkey are to be kept stable is yet another problem.
The Iraqi Sunni-Shia conflict is probably 'un-defuseable'.

OTOH, perhaps if PNAC 'fessed up & the Coalition public understood what had been attempted & were willing to commit things would be different but I dont see that happening

OTOOH perhaps the ISF arent hopelessly compromised & they will be able to 'step up' but i feel thats not very likely either

We're all very heavily f*cked, its largely Rumsfeld (& chums) fault, ..., but we are all implict in allowing it to happen in the first place, ..., especially if we're GOP members who allowed the party to be hi-jacked by PNAC

Diesel66 · 11-07-2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

When did we invade South Vietnam ?

6SpeedTA95 · 11-07-2006, 12:16 PM

This idea that muslims hate us is spread by the terrorist. I'd bet that most of the Iraqi's want us to have a presence there for years to come. Granted they probably want it to be smaller but they definately do not want us to fold up and leave.

hsmith · 11-07-2006, 12:25 PM

out of all the reasons to stay in Iraq, this has to be the worst