Why does China get a free pass on emissions???? - Page 2

ballz2wallz · 11-07-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Yes thats my point, it was an overblown excuse to hurt the US.

And it's costing trillions of dollars so that we MIGHT decrease the temperature by .14 degrees.

DosEquis · 11-07-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

Right, saddam was 25 years ago and he's getting his now. Darfur started in 2003...they've got 22 years before the "US-World police" get involved.

No, they won't because there won't be anyone left to defend.

ballz2wallz · 11-07-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

No, they won't because there won't be anyone left to defend.

Anybody that wants to 'control' someone doesn't like it when there's nobody to control. There will be plenty of people left.

7960 · 11-07-2006, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

42.8 degrees

Projections in the journal Science show rise in temperature average at 6 celsius by 2100.

so........... 42.8 or 6

which is it?

JaJae · 11-07-2006, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

42.8 degrees

Projections in the journal Science show rise in temperature average at 6 celsius by 2100.

Um, no. 6 degrees Cel is about 10 degrees F. You're converting 6 degrees Celsius to it's equivalent Fahrenheit temperature.

And the journal said 1 - 6 degrees. So you're highballing it to the extremes that any Greeny would ever dream of claiming.

In other words, it's more likely 2-5 degrees, which is about on par of what the planet has been doing on and off since man first walked this earth.

JaJae · 11-07-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

I'll add the F for fahrenheit on the first.

It's still wrong.

DosEquis · 11-07-2006, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

This thread is not about Iraq, either get the topic back on track or I'll delete the posts about Iraq.

Regulating emissions is the right thing to do and as a world leader we need to do the right things. We like our title of "greatest country in the world" and we need to do some things to keep that title. It was only mentioned as one thing not to do when trying to build a prestigious international reputation and was not intended to spur debate about Iraq specifically.

On that note China gets a pass because they have 1 billion people vs. our 300 million, yet we still produce as much if not more emissions. When 300 million people produce as many emissions as a billion, you are going to get flack for it. Both China and USA are wrong though. For now i'd say we should our own thing in reducing them and ignore china and what people tell them. At the same time, the attitude i detect from a previous post above seems to suggest we shouldn't worry about emissions just because someone else told us we need to. While i agree we should not be "told what to do" at the same time to not take action because "they told us to" out of spite is kind of stupid.

6SpeedTA95 · 11-07-2006, 05:29 PM

We do regulate emissions, ever heard of the EPA? THere's a shit ton of regulations in place, so much so that we're net consumers of CO2. We pollute a lot, but we do more to clean it up than any other country, we are taking the lead.

What about China? What about india? what should happen to them? China is going to double our emissions output by 2020.

ballz2wallz · 11-07-2006, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

We do regulate emissions, ever heard of the EPA? THere's a shit ton of regulations in place, so much so that we're net consumers of CO2. We pollute a lot, but we do more to clean it up than any other country, we are taking the lead.

What about China? What about india? what should happen to them? China is going to double our emissions output by 2020.

I think we've got the most regulations.

6SpeedTA95 · 11-07-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I think we've got the most regulations.

Western Europe has some strict regulations, we may be the most strict but it wouldnt' surprise me if they were.

DosEquis · 11-07-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

We do regulate emissions, ever heard of the EPA? THere's a shit ton of regulations in place, so much so that we're net consumers of CO2. We pollute a lot, but we do more to clean it up than any other country, we are taking the lead.

What about China? What about india? what should happen to them? China is going to double our emissions output by 2020.

I agree we do, but we can always do better. Why just stop? We do have to breath the stuff and raise our kids in it.

We can do better.

6SpeedTA95 · 11-07-2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I agree we do, but we can always do better. Why just stop? We do have to breath the stuff and raise our kids in it.

We can do better.

I totally agree we can't stop, we have to push forward, but Kyoto was WAY overboard which is why it didn't pass, not even close. We do need to strive to improve our emssions outputs but this running the US through the ringer while other countries do less about pollution and cleanup and have a much higher NET pollution than the US is just ridiculous.

Kytro · 11-07-2006, 05:45 PM

Kyoto didn't go far enough. In order to have a significant impact emissions have to be drastically reduced. This won't happen, so the point is moot.

The reason the US does not say "fuck off" to the world is generally due to the nature of internal politics. There are plenty of US citizens who don't want the the US to tell the world to fuck off.