Why on earth do countries like China get a free pass on emissions while everyone pounds the US about emissions. We're the most productive economy on the planet on a per capita basis and we've made huge strides in reducing net pollution, so while we may emit a lot of ...
11-07-2006, 01:49 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma 
| Why does China get a free pass on emissions???? Why on earth do countries like China get a free pass on emissions while everyone pounds the US about emissions. We're the most productive economy on the planet on a per capita basis and we've made huge strides in reducing net pollution, so while we may emit a lot of pollution we clean up MUCH of it and are a net consumer of CO2 thanks to new technologies over the past 10 years. China and India get a free pass? They're rapidly growing, their net pollution is already in excess of ours while their gross pollution is quite as high as ours. I just do not get it...its blatant attacks to bring the US economy to its knees IMO. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 02:16 PM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
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11-07-2006, 02:19 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 If you tell China or India they need to do something that could help the environment but would harm their economy and they'll tell you to fuck off. You tell America you need to do something that could help the environment, but would harm your economy and American liberals will pounce on it like a fly on shit. 
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11-07-2006, 02:39 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| We are better than they are. We create the new direction, take the lead, and the world follows. Being emission friendly doesn't always hurt the economy either. It creates plenty of new jobs in states like mine and Iowa. It spurs new and efficient things ahead of their time in a proactive manner, something the free market is typically not capable of doing since it is more reactive than proactive. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:02 PM
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| Originally Posted by DosEquis Thats why Kyoto passed with flying colors?
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11-07-2006, 03:03 PM
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11-07-2006, 03:05 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Originally Posted by DosEquis I posted something not too far from this ina different thread and got back replies like "attitudes like this are the reason the world hates the US" and "no wonder terrorists want to bomb you."
Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Kyoto sucked.
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11-07-2006, 03:08 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by 7960 Not quite. You said an American life was worth more than the life of a foreigner.
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11-07-2006, 03:10 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent tom-a-toe, tom-AHH-toe ... killing individuals (or groups) is worse than polluting the planet?
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11-07-2006, 03:12 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| It's much easier to blame the US for all the world's problems, including pollution, hunger, disease, etc. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:18 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz Bingo...because we react.
China would say 'fuck you' and shut down their internet for a while, round up some dissidents, remove their organs for donation, then heal them up enough to put in front of a firing squad. The US shits its pants and starts screaming "what will the world think?!?!?!?!" and passes some legislation that everybody disagrees with, nobody is going to abide by, and the next administration is going to gut once they're elected. We need to tell the world to fuck off a little more often. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:29 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by 7960 If we want to continue to blow sunshine up peoples ass about how great this country is, it is about time we do things to walk the walk. What we do to show that we are better than them has no relation what so ever to "is an american life worth more than a chinese life". It shows we are better as a country in taking a proactive approach to our environment in effort to take better care of the only planet we have to live on for now.
If we leave issues on the table like Darfur, issues like the environment, issues like being completely wrong and screwing up iraq, issues like Katrina, etc, all of the talk about how great this country is only going to remain sunshine up our own asses. It holds no water. This country is only as good as the actions it performs. A company is in competition with other companys to be the best, we should be in competition with other countries to be the best. It starts by not invading and imposing a democracy on a country via shitty/wrong intelligence, being proactive on things like the environment, and preventing genocide in places like darfur. Other countries will see this, we can talk to other countries and get them on board, and it ends up a better place for everyone over time. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:33 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by 7960 So we can't say...
fuck off world we are going to work on emissions by ourselves if we have to. If you want to help and work on your emissions with us we can share ideas and technology. Either way we are doing it. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:34 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| ^ so we *should* get involved in Darfur because of the genocide, but we should *not* get involved in iraq? sure there was shitty intelligence...for the sake of this argument I'll concede there was no WMD...but there was still saddam's attempt to wipe out the kurds and reports that he's killed in the hundreds of thousands...... so go to Darfur, but don't go to Iraq? | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:36 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by DosEquis If that's what we want, sure. What I'm saying is we shouldn't be bending over because the world is screaming about how we pollute it, especially when their response is "but we're a growing economy so we can't stop polluting."
It's the same socialist mentality I see here every so often..."You have more so you should be required to give more." What I'm saying is if we decide to, great. But we shouldn't do anything because of pressure from someone else. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:40 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by 7960 Unfortunately Saddams actions were 25 years ago and instead we were looking out for what was considered in our best geopolitical interests. We didn't want Iran to have more control of the region so we supported the murdering dictator with money, weapons, and intelligence. We went in 1991, leveled his armies, and apparently destroyed his wmd stash. He was marginalized and placed under our thumb.
Darfur is today, right now, and we have no geopolitical interests to look out for. That is probably why there is little being done about it actually. In darfur we actually have a genocide right infront of our face, not "reports of possible" 25 years ago while we were giving him guns and money. | ||||
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11-07-2006, 03:41 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Yup.
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11-07-2006, 03:44 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Right, saddam was 25 years ago and he's getting his now. Darfur started in 2003...they've got 22 years before the "US-World police" get involved.
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11-07-2006, 03:51 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Yes thats my point, it was an overblown excuse to hurt the US.
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11-07-2006, 03:52 PM
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| This thread is not about Iraq, either get the topic back on track or I'll delete the posts about Iraq. | ||||
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