Oceans and mass extinction

[DosEquis]

Experts: Seas heading for mass extinctions - World news - World environment - msnbc.com

Just some fun facts from the article:

The ocean is the main source of protien for 20% of the world.

Carbon Dioxide makes for a more acidic ocean, killing reefs.

Warmer temperatures are shifting species.

Runoff fertilizers are depleating oxygen levels creating massive "dead zones".

Over fishing killing off species as well.


Of course this is just liberal hippy nonesense hell bent on killing jobs, implementing regulation, on a way to a socialist utopian society.

Or is it a stern warning that if we don't get our shit straight we are going to have problems with a food source that feeds 20% of the world.

[wanna be drummer]

YouTube - ‪Carl Sagan - Pale Blue...

This is what I show people when they say that only liberals care about the environment.

[meatwadisprez]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Experts: Seas heading for mass extinctions - World news - World environment - msnbc.com

Just some fun facts from the article:

The ocean is the main source of protien for 20% of the world.

Carbon Dioxide makes for a more acidic ocean, killing reefs.

Warmer temperatures are shifting species.

Runoff fertilizers are depleating oxygen levels creating massive "dead zones".

Over fishing killing off species as well.


Of course this is just liberal hippy nonesense hell bent on killing jobs, implementing regulation, on a way to a socialist utopian society.

Or is it a stern warning that if we don't get our shit straight we are going to have problems with a food source that feeds 20% of the world.

You're all a bunch of hippies!

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Experts: Seas heading for mass extinctions - World news - World environment - msnbc.com

Just some fun facts from the article:

The ocean is the main source of protien for 20% of the world.

Carbon Dioxide makes for a more acidic ocean, killing reefs.

Warmer temperatures are shifting species.

Runoff fertilizers are depleating oxygen levels creating massive "dead zones".

Over fishing killing off species as well.


Of course this is just liberal hippy nonesense hell bent on killing jobs, implementing regulation, on a way to a socialist utopian society.

Or is it a stern warning that if we don't get our shit straight we are going to have problems with a food source that feeds 20% of the world.

Hey, the oceans are already dead. Haven't you been listening to Ted Danson

[gipper]

Originally Posted by CharlieK

Hey, the oceans are already dead. Haven't you been listening to Ted Danson

Really. They have been dead for years...of course you need to define "dead" the way enviro nut jobs do...so they can make lots of money.

Remember when the enviro whackos said Lake Erie was dead for 1,000 years back in the 70s? And yet, today the lake is thriving and has been for some time. Nature has a funny way of fixing it's self, but that does not fit the AGENDA of the enviro money making movement.

I just don't get how people can be consistently lied to over and over and they still believe. Lincoln was right when he said...

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

[Salty Dog]

The ocean absorbs about a third of the carbon dioxide that industrial society puts into the atmosphere. The sea, in fact, takes in almost a million tons of CO2 per hour. That’s a good thing and a bad thing.
If the ocean at some point failed to dissolve atmospheric CO2, the planet would overheat very rapidly. But that won’t happen for some time, according to the IPCC. The ocean will continue dissolving CO2 for hundreds or thousands of years to come.
What keeps many marine scientists up at night, however, is that when the ocean absorbs increasing amounts of carbon dioxide, it turns acidic. The ocean is naturally slightly alkaline, but the ocean has become 30 percent more acidic since 1750.

Climate Change and Ocean Health Ocean acidification

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

The ocean absorbs about a third of the carbon dioxide that industrial society puts into the atmosphere. The sea, in fact, takes in almost a million tons of CO2 per hour. That’s a good thing and a bad thing.
If the ocean at some point failed to dissolve atmospheric CO2, the planet would overheat very rapidly. But that won’t happen for some time, according to the IPCC. The ocean will continue dissolving CO2 for hundreds or thousands of years to come.
What keeps many marine scientists up at night, however, is that when the ocean absorbs increasing amounts of carbon dioxide, it turns acidic. The ocean is naturally slightly alkaline, but the ocean has become 30 percent more acidic since 1750.

Climate Change and Ocean Health Ocean acidification

The one thing that many climate scientists discount is how oceans shed carbon naturally. And I am not just talking about 'into the atmosphere' release. If carbon becomes high in 'ppm', it naturally tends to settle onto the ocean bed, where it is eventually pulled into the planet through Subduction. In that manner, the process is constantly being recycled. It's natural.

This 'so called' threat to aquatic life, because of too much carbon, is so remote that it is almost laughable. It's just another attempt to take a hypothetical and make a calamity out of it. We are not in any danger of the oceans being polluted via CO2. These people come up with some of the wackiest concepts, having no proven validity, and pass them off as gospel.

If we really want to cut back on wanton over fishing then perhaps we should find some way to eliminate the concept of "The Commons". If a country has stewardship of certain areas of ocean, the unrestricted exploitation would cease.



Hey folks, we are slowly headed back into another stage of the Ice Age, coming to a theatre near you,................soon! why can't people look at the charts and read the writing on the wall?



We reached our maximum global temperature eight thousand years ago, and we have been headed downward, in fits and starts, ever since. Every high never comes up to the last one, and every low point tends to be a little lower then the one before. What is so hard about this to understand?

[Salty Dog]

Originally Posted by CharlieK

Hey folks, we are slowly headed back into another stage of the Ice Age,

Originally Posted by CharlieK

it is almost laughable.

It's just another attempt to take a hypothetical and make a calamity out of it.

wackiest concepts, having no proven validity, and pass them off as gospel.

Good points.

[David]

And subduction takes thousands of years, meanwhile acid levels and temps rise causing extremely fragile coral and the life it supports to die while also increasing the likelihood that frozen methane will melt and raise into the atmosphere. The last time the oceans had high acidity levels and raising temps, 99% of all life was wiped out.

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by David

And subduction takes thousands of years, meanwhile acid levels and temps rise causing extremely fragile coral and the life it supports to die while also increasing the likelihood that frozen methane will melt and raise into the atmosphere. The last time the oceans had high acidity levels and raising temps, 99% of all life was wiped out.

Yes, but by the time a particular portion of the ocean floor is 'subducted', it has a considerable sedimentation layer of carbon. So, that part still goes on, regardless the speed of the layers moving under the others.

As for the acidity levels, water's neutral state is "7", anything above that being alkaline. Today, it is above 8, between 8.14 to 8.27. So it would take one hell of a lot of acidity to change things just to the neutral point. This is much to do about nothing. Check out the graph, and look closely at CO2 levels throughout the Mesozoic, and even the Cenozoic, up until recently. If CO2 really acidifies oceans as claimed, again we that 99% claim is fallacious.



Again, let me repeat: a warmer climate is a healthier one for life on the planet. If global temperatures go up one degree, almost all that increase will occur at higher latitudes, and not near the equator. And too, there will be more moisture in the atmosphere, and plants will prosper. All it requires to fully understand this is just a little common sense.

Wouldn't you rather have that than a full blown ice age?

[CharlieK]

Here is my attitude about all this hype concerning the 'so called' Death Watch of the planet's oceans. Anthony B. Watts, over at Watts Up With That expresses it pretty well.

Maybe the Oceans are in a shocking state, I’m just getting too cynical to care…

“The oceans are in a worse state than previously suspected, according to an expert panel of scientists.”

“In a new report, they warn that ocean life is “at high risk of entering a phase of extinction of marine species unprecedented in human history”.

This is getting beyond satire ‘panel for the State of the ocean’ but no doubt lots more UN jobs and research required, plus urgent action and control of the oceans.

Its worse than we thought (they considered)

”…As we considered the cumulative effect of what humankind does to the oceans, the implications became far worse than we had individually realised.”

“We’ve sat in one forum and spoken to each other about what we’re seeing, and we’ve ended up with a picture showing that almost right across the board we’re seeing changes that are happening faster than we’d thought, or in ways that we didn’t expect to see for hundreds of years.”
” These “accelerated” changes include melting of Arctic sea ice and the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets, sea level rise, and release of methane trapped in the sea bed.”

BUT at the end. – It is too early to say !!!!

“The IPSO report concludes that it is too early to say definitively.”

But the trends are such that it is likely to happen, they say – and far faster than any of the previous five extinctions.

I’m sorry but I have utter contempt for this sort of pseudo-science by press release…

I wonder what the report really says, and how well it holds up to the headline, I wonder if anyone will bother to check…

The point is that this is nothing more than the HennyPenny/ChickenLittle story of "The Sky is Falling" fame. The more the press, and highly paid scientists(with their beds feathered) run around shouting that the sky is falling, the less people pay attention to them.

And by adding the "Plausable Deniability" part " it is too early to say definitively, they are knocking the very legs out from under themselves.


And logical thinking people are supposed to actually believe all this BullShit? And then we are expected to believe the same people, when they do the exact same thing with other issues?

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by Jonather

yea!! due to the interference of men in aquatic region the aquatic life has been totally disturbed and it has taken a toll over many species... I myself feel sorry for those innocent creatures...

You know what is the most dangerous threat to aquatic life? Do you?

Well, I'll tell you. Its the threat from objects coming in from outer space. That's right, Impactors. It was one, or more, that created the Permian extinctions. It was one, or more, that killed off the dinosaurs. And almost exactly 31 million years ago, a large Impactor slammed into the Chesapeake Bay, right on schedule. G-d only knows how many species were killed off by that one impact alone.

And you know what? This occurs on a regular basis basis too. We are constantly bombarded by objects of varying sizes,......all the time. We live in the middle of a virtual shooting gallery.

You want to stop all this needless destruction to nature? Then hurry up, become more technically advanced, and get into space, so we don't have all our eggs in one basket. AND, lets make sure those things don't zero in on us so much. And the quickest way to do that is to get Excessive government out of our lives, and unleash the power of FREE ENTERPRISE!

If you REALLY, Really, really, want to solve the problem, and not bitch about "Man the tool maker", then do this one thing alone.

[David]

Originally Posted by CharlieK

You know what is the most dangerous threat to aquatic life? Do you?

Well, I'll tell you. Its the threat from objects coming in from outer space. That's right, Impactors. It was one, or more, that created the Permian extinctions. It was one, or more, that killed off the dinosaurs. And almost exactly 31 million years ago, a large Impactor slammed into the Chesapeake Bay, right on schedule. G-d only knows how many species were killed off by that one impact alone.

And you know what? This occurs on a regular basis basis too. We are constantly bombarded by objects of varying sizes,......all the time. We live in the middle of a virtual shooting gallery.

You want to stop all this needless destruction to nature? Then hurry up, become more technically advanced, and get into space, so we don't have all our eggs in one basket. AND, lets make sure those things don't zero in on us so much. And the quickest way to do that is to get Excessive government out of our lives, and unleash the power of FREE ENTERPRISE!

If you REALLY, Really, really, want to solve the problem, and not bitch about "Man the tool maker", then do this one thing alone.

Or create an excessive gov't with the single minded purpose of getting us off this rock like we did during the Moon Race.