Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Giving Democrats credit for having a sense of self preservation is not much. I would give them far more credit if they did not have Pelosi in such an exalted position. She is too far left. The real pity is that does not appear to ...
11-09-2006, 01:22 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs 
| Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Please tell me what Pelosi stands for that makes her so far left?
I hear this all the time about her and Dean. Lets hear it. The people who are far left are people like Sanders and Nader. Nobody in the Democratic party is far left. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:23 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent It's sad that people believe this. The Democrats were being taken over by the far left. But I guess that's all relative to one's personal political views.
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11-09-2006, 01:26 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by JaJae Lets hear it then.
Who is far left and what view makes them that way? I'm dying to hear this. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:29 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Things like socialist medical care. She wants illegals to have access to US Medicare, Medicaid and access to our welfare system. She basically wants anything that shoots banned in this country...
She's a nutjob. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:33 AM
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| The Bydo Empire must die! Independent
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent He won because he had bipartisan support in the population. I respect him for being able to win without party support like that. However, I dont agree with much of his policy, nor his open willingness to bring religion into politics. He's too far left on some things like media censorship (for the children), and too far right on others (iraq war/israel).
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11-09-2006, 01:34 AM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by JaJae Socialist medicare would never pass, regardless of what she thinks. Illegals already have access to our healthcare, education system, etc.
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11-09-2006, 01:37 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by DosEquis It would never pass, because it's an extreme nutjob position for a politician to take. And illegals have access, but Clinton did a good job of cutting most of it off. She's against that!
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11-09-2006, 01:37 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by JaJae Link on her wanting illegals to recieve welfare?
Plenty of people want those other things. That doesn't make them wackjobs. She is representing her district and none of those things will pass on a federal level. I still don't see anything like her wanting to break up corperations or move to a socialist system in there. Anything else? | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:39 AM
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| Appeasement the mother's milk of Cowards Independent USA
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent >"Nobody in the Democratic party is far left."<
If you believe that . I shall not make the effort to burst your bubble. Dream on and be happy. I wish you well | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:42 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by JaJae Hmm. That's funny. I have seen polls saying it has support from people.
But I guess a majority of America are nutjob liberals? These numbers are older. Maybe someone has something more recent?
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11-09-2006, 01:42 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Your evidence is overwhelming, but I'm not quite convinced.
That whole post and the only response is to the end and not the questions to prove your position. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:47 AM
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| Appeasement the mother's milk of Cowards Independent USA
| Originally Posted by DosEquis I agree with for the most part on that. Question is , for how long?
The far left does not have America's best interest at heart. In fact they have the opposite desire. As more Republicans cave in thus revealing the cowards they are we will see more leftist driven ideas being considered in Congress. DosEquis, I wish I had your faith in the , keeping the left people in check part. I really do... | ||||
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11-09-2006, 01:57 AM
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| Appeasement the mother's milk of Cowards Independent USA
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Sir, I was being as polite as I could given your quote.
My reply was not to prove my point to you as your quote was so silly that I believed it best to not make the attempt. My departed grandfather used to tell me , " Son do not argue with fools. As they will bring you down to thier level and beat you to death with thier vast experience." I did however sincerely wish you well ....... | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:00 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot I just figured that if it was so overwhelmingly obvious how left these people are, it should be quite easy to prove me wrong.
instead I get thinly veiled insults and talked down to. How sweet. Around here we like to post evidence to back up our claims. Last edited by Scrum; 11-09-2006 at 02:07 AM.. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:07 AM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot I don't think it will ever become a problem. Just considering the prospect of her, howard dean, harry reid, etc in positions of power lead people to vote republican despite all of the failures of recent.
The administration/congress has failed the faith based community by not doing a whole lot about the abortion issue. The administration has failed the conservative community by allowing out of control spending, enormous government growth, not addressing the border/immigration issue, and not really addressing other reform. Their handling of Iraq has been questionable at best. The point is I can't really think of much they did right even for conservatives, yet some STILL voted for more of the same just to avoid "speaker pelosi". Rush Limbaugh has admitted to exactly that, and Hannity said the same thing in not so many words. I think if Pelosi starts getting wacky it will result in a sway back. Democrats know they are on thin ice, they made promises, and people are going to want to see some results or they will be out on their ass. Results do not start with national healthcare systems. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:13 AM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Further I highly doubt they will do so much "anti-business" "left" legislation to cause a bunch of economic problems. Every elected official republican and democrat are millionaires who rely heavily on the market for their bankroll. Their jobs only pay like 150k a year, not including all the bribes to their favorite "charity" of course. So passing legislation that puts a cut to economic performance would just be cutting their own throat. Not only that but historically speaking, when a democrat has been president the market has seen 15% growth over their terms, where as republicans have seen 9.5% growth over their terms. So i guess i trust the checks and balances of the government, the voters, and the market has been historically just fine under a democratic controlled goverment. I think we will be fine. I like that the opposite party controls the legislative branch because we need those checks and balances. We desperately needed to get rid of the rubber stamp. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:17 AM
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| Appeasement the mother's milk of Cowards Independent USA
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Please by all means feel free to do a google search on Pelosi.
I will not argue a most obvious fact with you. Nor will I banter such well known facts. Besides I didnt think they were "thinly veiled" at all.-lol I gave you my departed grandfather's quote, what else do you want? | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:21 AM
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| Appeasement the mother's milk of Cowards Independent USA
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Dos, got to agree with you on that. The potential for Pelosi and the democrats to bring the hammer down on them next election is great.
As they say , give 'em enough rope.... | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:23 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Usually I see fact as being written down somewhere with evidence to support it.
Others are ok with just saying something is a fact because they feel it.  Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot http://www.libertylounge.net/forums/...0-28-06-a.html
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11-09-2006, 02:29 AM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Personally the fact they only won 6 senate seats, and only hold a small majority in congress speaks volumes. Despite ALL of the thing which have gone wrong.... just think if they actually had a solid foundation other than "we are not them and we will fix it".
Considering everything, they should have won 10-12 senate seats and hold a 80-100 member majority in congress. They dont though, because most of them suck. | ||||
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