Listening to Hannity - Page 3

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot · 11-09-2006, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Personally the fact they only won 6 senate seats, and only hold a small majority in congress speaks volumes. Despite ALL of the thing which have gone wrong.... just think if they actually had a solid foundation other than "we are not them and we will fix it".

Considering everything, they should have won 10-12 senate seats and hold a 80-100 member majority in congress. They dont though, because most of them suck.

True if thier declared mandate against Iraq war was as strong with the people as they declare they should have won many more seats.
The people voted and will get that which they asked for.
Even a little of what the Democratic leadership wants to bring could be dangerous...

lew · 11-09-2006, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Please tell me what Pelosi stands for that makes her so far left?

I hear this all the time about her and Dean. Lets hear it.

The people who are far left are people like Sanders and Nader.

Nobody in the Democratic party is far left.

I don't consider Nader far left. I like him on a lot of his issues.

While we're on "far" terminologies, there is no one "far right" in the Republican party either except for Ron Paul. And that's only if your scale is far left = socialism and far right = anarchy.

blah, let's just get rid of "left" and "right." It's too confusing.

lew · 11-09-2006, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I don't think it will ever become a problem. Just considering the prospect of her, howard dean, harry reid, etc in positions of power lead people to vote republican despite all of the failures of recent.

The administration/congress has failed the faith based community by not doing a whole lot about the abortion issue. The administration has failed the conservative community by allowing out of control spending, enormous government growth, not addressing the border/immigration issue, and not really addressing other reform. Their handling of Iraq has been questionable at best.

The point is I can't really think of much they did right even for conservatives, yet some STILL voted for more of the same just to avoid "speaker pelosi". Rush Limbaugh has admitted to exactly that, and Hannity said the same thing in not so many words. I think if Pelosi starts getting wacky it will result in a sway back. Democrats know they are on thin ice, they made promises, and people are going to want to see some results or they will be out on their ass. Results do not start with national healthcare systems.

Some of the reasons why I left the Republican party.

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 09:58 AM

So did Hannity snap, or did he disappoint so many of you here?

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by lew

I don't consider Nader far left. I like him on a lot of his issues.

While we're on "far" terminologies, there is no one "far right" in the Republican party either except for Ron Paul. And that's only if your scale is far left = socialism and far right = anarchy.

blah, let's just get rid of "left" and "right." It's too confusing.

I agree.

And i'm surprised you like Nader.

thatguyoverthere · 11-09-2006, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

Please by all means feel free to do a google search on Pelosi.
I will not argue a most obvious fact with you.
Nor will I banter such well known facts.

Besides I didnt think they were "thinly veiled" at all.-lol

I gave you my departed grandfather's quote, what else do you want?

How about one little link to these "well known facts?" Shouldn't be too hard now, should it?

No one has taken up Scrum's challenge. I find that telling.

Everyone is put on notice. We're no longer going to be convinced of slams against Democrats backed up by saying "it's common knowledge." That doesn't cut it anymore.

The Democrats do not play to a far left base. They try so hard to be Republican Lite. In 2004 there was widespread dissatisfaction with the war, yet the party gave us two candidates that voted FOR the war. WTF? The front runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008? Yep, you guessed it, she voted for the war too.

What's Howard Dean's rating from the NRA? Betcha can't guess, but it shows that he's not as far left as you might think he is.

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Please tell me what Pelosi stands for that makes her so far left?

I'll give you the easiest one; she tried to ban all guns in San Francisco. Fortunately the courts saw right through that one.

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

How about one little link to these "well known facts?" Shouldn't be too hard now, should it?

No one has taken up Scrum's challenge. I find that telling.

Everyone is put on notice. We're no longer going to be convinced of slams against Democrats backed up by saying "it's common knowledge." That doesn't cut it anymore.

The Democrats do not play to a far left base. They try so hard to be Republican Lite. In 2004 there was widespread dissatisfaction with the war, yet the party gave us two candidates that voted FOR the war. WTF? The front runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008? Yep, you guessed it, she voted for the war too.

What's Howard Dean's rating from the NRA? Betcha can't guess, but it shows that he's not as far left as you might think he is.

And Dean was endorsed by the NRA 8 times as the VT Governor.

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

And Dean was endorsed by the NRA 8 times as the VT Governor.

I thought we were talking about Pelosi? What's her rating with the NRA?

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I'll give you the easiest one; she tried to ban all guns in San Francisco. Fortunately the courts saw right through that one.

Did she try, or was it the nearly 60% of the people that voted for it?

And so now people who don't like guns are far left nutjobs? That's all it takes huh?

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Did she try, or was it the nearly 60% of the people that voted for it?

And so now people who don't like guns are far left nutjobs? That's all it takes huh?

How about her very socialist statement 'we need to share the wealth; we need to reward people for working hard, not being wealthy'

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I thought we were talking about Pelosi? What's her rating with the NRA?

What's Howard Dean's rating from the NRA? Betcha can't guess, but it shows that he's not as far left as you might think he is.

Do try and keep up.

Her rating is an F.

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Did she try, or was it the nearly 60% of the people that voted for it?

And so now people who don't like guns are far left nutjobs? That's all it takes huh?

Or how about her desire for government-run healthcare?

There are many, but do you really want to hear how socialist her views are? Is socialist not a far left stance?

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Do try and keep up.

I've kept up quite well; I noticed somehow the subject was changed from Pelosi to Dean. Quite irrelevant if you ask me.

Her rating is an F.

I wonder why?

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

How about her very socialist statement 'we need to share the wealth; we need to reward people for working hard, not being wealthy'

I can really care less what she says. It's action that is telling.

That quote is a little out of context though and you're reading into it what you want to hear.

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Or how about her desire for government-run healthcare?

There are many, but do you really want to hear how socialist her views are? Is socialist not a far left stance?

As I have already pointed out, national healthcare has support from the majority of people in this country.

I guess they are all liberal nutjobs though!

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I've kept up quite well; I noticed somehow the subject was changed from Pelosi to Dean. Quite irrelevant if you ask me.

He asked a question and I answered it. That's not changing the subject at all. In fact I had refered to Dean earlier in the thread.

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I can really care less what she says. It's action that is telling.

How else will you know her beliefs? Unless you also think she lies a lot?

That quote is a little out of context though and you're reading into it what you want to hear.

Here's her quote exactly

"We believe in the marketplace," Pelosi said of Democrats, then drew a contrast with Republicans. "They have only rewarded wealth, not work."

"We must share the benefits of our wealth" beyond the privileged few, she added.

I don't know how much the context can be changed on that

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

As I have already pointed out, national healthcare has support from the majority of people in this country.

I guess they are all liberal nutjobs though!

It's a very liberal and socialist policy, whether people agree with it or not. Because people like it doesn't change it's 'leftist-ness'

Scrum · 11-09-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

How else will you know her beliefs? Unless you also think she lies a lot?

Here's her quote exactly

I don't know how much the context can be changed on that

Because you are reading "I will come in and take money out of rich peoples pockets to give it to the poor".

When what she is saying is 'The system currently in place makes the rich richer and keeps the poor, poor. We need to eliminate that framework".