Originally Posted by WickedLou9 Congress did. THey want to ban this procedure specificaly. I want to ban partial birth abortion as well - as a contraceptive. Intact dilation and extraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It's not only done when the fetus is dead and needs to be removed, like ...
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11-08-2006, 08:53 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market  Capitalist 
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 
I want to ban partial birth abortion as well - as a contraceptive. Intact dilation and extraction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It's not only done when the fetus is dead and needs to be removed, like you stated. Some women, albeit a very few, do use this method for birth control. | ||||
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11-08-2006, 08:55 PM
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| Dirty Liberal  Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by lew I don't believe that's true. and I didnt say it's only when the fetus was dead. I said when there is something wrong and it woudlnt be able to be brought to term.
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11-08-2006, 09:39 PM
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| Common Sense Conservative  Realist
| So can someone give me the cliffs for this supreme court case? I thought roe v. wade only guaranteed abortions available in the first trimester. States should be allowed to criminalize late term abortions, no? So what happened? States tried to outlaw this procedure even when the mother's life is in danger and someone challenged it? | ||||
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11-09-2006, 12:05 AM
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| Bokonist  Independent Kansas City
| Originally Posted by lew Why not propose a ban on late term abortion then, not just this procedure? It's like making murder illegal, but only by shotgun.
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11-09-2006, 12:08 AM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
| Originally Posted by lew I've personally known people who're so strongly against abortion that they would not allow it under absolutely any circumstances, even if it causes complications that would harm the mother or even cause her death.
However, that's the extreme end. As for me personally it is a very difficult issue with no positive outcomes. You can either protect the mother or protect the fetus, not both. Forcing women to give birth against their will is also unpalatable to me. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 12:41 AM
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| Common Sense Conservative Realist
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross The difference of opinion is most poignant regarding exceptions for the mother's "health." What's health? Risking death? Discomfort? Psychological health or only physical? Etc...
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11-09-2006, 12:50 AM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| Medically Reviewed On: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 Summary A pregnancy complication is any condition or illness that threatens the mother and/or fetus during pregnancy. Common pregnancy complications include preeclampsia, premature labor, gestational diabetes and depression. Pregnancy complications may result from a number of possible factors, including pre–existing disorders or diseases (e.g., diabetes, high blood pressure) or abnormalities of the sperm or egg. Complications may also result from sexually transmitted diseases, amniotic fluid abnormalities, placental abnormalities and viral, bacterial and parasitic infections. Many complications may cause serious problems for the mother and/or fetus. In addition, a number of complications may result in death of the mother or loss of the fetus. Women experiencing heavy vaginal bleeding or spotting, abdominal pain or any other common sign or symptom of pregnancy complications should contact their obstetrician–gynecologist (ObGyn) immediately. From: Pregnancy Complications | ||||
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11-09-2006, 08:51 AM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9 It is true. I heard a story on NPR about a girl who had to fly to one of the only doctors in the states that would do a voluntary abortion on someone that was that late term (I think she was almost 8 months). The story made it seem that she was the victim in this. I couldn't believe it....
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11-09-2006, 09:44 AM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by WickedLou9
But that's incorrect. Without the ban, women could opt for this procedure without any dangers to health or anything. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:23 PM
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| interwebberus professionalus  Independent
| again i ask, why is the mother's life worth more than the baby's? i ask this of those generally opposed to abortion, but willing to allow it in cases where the mother's health is at risk. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:26 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by imind IF there are complications and the mother dies, the fetus can't be brought to term and will probably die as well. A fetus has to be more than 20 weeks along before there is even a small chance that it will survivie.
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11-09-2006, 02:27 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by imind I think there are very few, if any, cases where it has to be one or the other. I think it has to do with there being something wrong with the baby (or the pregnancy) where the mother will die if the baby is not removed. So really, the baby would die either way.
If someone can give me an example of a healthy late term baby being aborted because the moms like was in danger, I would like to see it. I just don't think that happens. | ||||
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11-09-2006, 02:28 PM
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| Dirty Liberal Democrat South Jersey
| Originally Posted by Stylerod It probably doesn't. Maybe one in a million cases or something crazy like that.
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11-09-2006, 06:04 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by Stylerod You didn't include WHY she wanted to abort her baby at that late stage.
__________________ "People are selfish. But they can also be compassionate and generous, and they care about the country. But not when they feel threatened. That's why this is such a crucial time. We can go in either direction. But if we don't make a choice soon, it will be too late to turn things around. I think people are willing to make the right choice. But they need leadership. They're hungry for leadership." BK/1968 | ||||
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11-09-2006, 09:27 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland She was 17 and didn't want it. So her and her dad had to fly somewhere (Arizona comes to mind but I'm not sure) for her to get that late term abortion. I was ready to kill her and her dad after the story was over. I was steaming in my car.
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11-09-2006, 09:45 PM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| Originally Posted by imind Why is the baby's or fetus's life worth more than the mother?
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11-10-2006, 01:34 AM
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| Common Sense Conservative Realist
| Originally Posted by Stylerod Try minding your own business.
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11-10-2006, 02:01 AM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| It was his child too. That makes it his business as well. | ||||
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11-10-2006, 02:09 AM
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| Bokonist Independent Kansas City
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross
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11-10-2006, 09:07 AM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo It was my business once they decided to be on NPR and act like she was a victim because it's so hard to get a late term abortion.
Hopefully the SC will say it's ok to make illegal voluntary late term abortions. | ||||
