The 'DoGooder' Gene, and Ron Paul Logic

[CharlieK]

I have been listening to the Glen Beck program this morning, and he has his usual substitute(suspect?) hosting the show when he is away. This guy is just going on, and on, and on, about how stupid Paul is on his foreign policy. Hannity does the same thing, as does Rush. Levin is another, amongst many, many, more. Its never ending it seems.

I'm convinced that there is something basic and primal going on here. And I just came up with what I will call the "DoGooder" gene.

The Progressive Left has this "DoGooder" gene, and they think they have to impose good on to government and make the rest of us to what they consider to be good. Individual Liberty is nice, as long as they conform to the Progressive idea of what is good. Unfortunately, to Progressives will need more government to force this good on everyone.

The So called Conservative Right also has this "DoGooder" gene, and they think they have to impose good on to the rest of the world and make the rest of the world rich, free, and peace loving, as long as it conforms to their ideals of Good. Unfortunately, the so called Conservatives will need more military to force their good on everyone.

It's one huge addiction, this "DoGooderIsm", and it is present in all of us. Unfortunately most of us are unable to resist this thing, and achieve great satisfaction in trying to proselytize their need to feel good about themselves,......and spread the Good.

If you are an evangelical Christian, you will see this all the time in your church. There are thousands of Christians rushing out, doing missionary work, to do good for Jesus/Yeshua and spread the word. Same thing here with both sides of the isle.

All these candidates are hell bent on spreading their version of "DoGooderIsm" to everyone else, and they look on Ron Paul as the heretic in the attic. How dare he have the unmitigated gall to preach "Live and Let Live". How dare he tell us that going to war so 'carelessly' is not a virtue.

Fortunately, there are more of these addicts, who are finally beginning to realize that just like heroin and alcohol, we pay a terrible price for this Gawd-Awful addiction. Let's hope enough realize this before it is too late. After all, we are now broke, and both sides of the "DoGooderIsm" isle have pretty much reached the end of the line.

Time to be Saved.

[WickedLou9]

i would rather have people spreading evil.

MUuhahahaha

[notquiteright]

Well there is some mighty fine spin, kudos!

rather than attempt to peel the onion and just have a few wing nuts to blame for our do-gooder 'defect'- lets call it by it's real name.

While evangelicals do try and put action behind their words, many Americans wave our Christian ideals about when claiming a high moral ground. We rant on and on about the few scraps we knock off the table for other nations, all the while it is Egypt and Israel who receive the lion's share.

Name a few wars we have gone into for nothing but good and moral reasons? We go to war for the same reasons the French, Germans, Russians, Turks, you name 'em.

Something was up for grabs for a rich and powerful clique. Wrap it up in fancy do-gooder words, we fight for at least the illusion of gain, a profit for someone even if the nation itself goes bankrupt.

It is interesting that one thread praises our Joodayoh-Christian beliefs as superior to the French and German equality and reason, now the same poster bashes that belief system!

Which is it- are we superior because of our J-C belief traditions or are we betrayed by them?

[Swift]

Very well written piece. It's exactly what Jefferson talked about in his administration. There is a lot of good stuff in what Ron Paul says. Unfortunately, the way he proposes it in this global climate, it makes him seem like he's completely out of touch.

[DosEquis]

I think there is no coincidence that a country we trade with has no interest in military conflict with us, because we are good customers. Even countries that disagree with us fundamentally leave us alone and even help us from time to time.

Just look at the trouble makers today... Iran, North Korea, Pakistan...

Look how much business we do with them vs. sanctions we put on them.

Instead of "punishing" Iran with sanctions.. maybe we should try what Paul suggests and trade with them. Trade is what is leading to political reform in China as the people become more empowered with new income they haven't had before.

Instead of just handing over aid and subsidies with Pakistan to buy their very limited cooperation... why not trade with them so there is pressure from the people for the government to behave in order to keep the business.

Look at Saudi Arabia. They are among the most radical islamic nations in the entire middle east. We buy a shit load of their oil so stay quiet.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by Swift

Very well written piece. It's exactly what Jefferson talked about in his administration. There is a lot of good stuff in what Ron Paul says. Unfortunately, the way he proposes it in this global climate, it makes him seem like he's completely out of touch.

Out of touch with who? Americans?



Good. Americans are fucking stupid. I wouldn't ever vote for someone who I considered "In touch" with America. I'm an idealist, not a pandering pansy

[notquiteright]

Not out of touch with who-

Out of touch with what-

reality

[Swift]

Originally Posted by wanna be drummer

Out of touch with who? Americans?



Good. Americans are fucking stupid. I wouldn't ever vote for someone who I considered "In touch" with America. I'm an idealist, not a pandering pansy

Maybe that was the wrong phrase to use. What I mean is that the way that he puts his policies out there, it's almost like the doesn't acknowledge the global market. Like he wants an isolationist country. I'm pretty sure that's not what he's talking about. But that's how it comes off.

[meatwadisprez]

Originally Posted by notquiteright

Not out of touch with who-

Out of touch with what-

reality

Right, because everything we're doing right now is working so well.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by notquiteright

Not out of touch with who-

Out of touch with what-

reality

Why haven't I put you on ignore yet? I honestly can't think of one good reason

Originally Posted by Swift

Maybe that was the wrong phrase to use. What I mean is that the way that he puts his policies out there, it's almost like the doesn't acknowledge the global market. Like he wants an isolationist country. I'm pretty sure that's not what he's talking about. But that's how it comes off.

You should read one of his books.

[The Esteemed Gentleman]

Originally Posted by wanna be drummer

Why haven't I put you on ignore yet? I honestly can't think of one good reason.

Comedic humor?

[notquiteright]

wannabee-
your inability to think isn't mine or the forum's problem, nut up

CharlieK-
Our military interventions rarely make people free, rich or happy.

Why we intervene is to keep a region's resources flowing to our corporations. A by-product of that intervention is an elite class is made very powerful and wealthy, but the people stay just as poor and voiceless.

A look at our interventions in Central and South America boils down to we kept our ruling elite in power and rich while the common man was just as repressed and often times murdered if he attempted to redress grievances.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by notquiteright

wannabee-
your inability to think isn't mine or the forum's problem, nut up

if I were you I would remember that wanna be drummer does not have an entire thread devoted to people polling whether or not he's a moron or just a troll. Then I'd remember that notquiteright does.



Cute attempt at sounding fancy by the way. Remind me to tell you when a high school vocabulary impresses me

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

this might be my new desktop wallpaper

[notquiteright]

wannabee-
guess that shows you are not worth much comment. Stay in the pack, don't turn heads, you are best in the middle of the flock of sheeple.

As for 'an entire thread'... 4 timid guys with sand in their manginas whining in the corner? I am not impressed, that you are says a lot more about you and your inexperience than me.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by notquiteright

wannabee-
guess that shows you are not worth much comment. Stay in the pack, don't turn heads, you are best in the middle of the flock of sheeple.

Ah yes, another attempt at using phrases that really don't need to be used. Intelligence defined amirite?

As for 'an entire thread'... 4 timid guys with sand in their manginas whining in the corner? I am not impressed, that you are says a lot more about you and your inexperience than me.

If you say so slick

[notquiteright]

If using phrases that 'don't need to be used' draws comments this forum would be full of tepid whines like yours.

Now about the whiny thread at the bottom, (good place for it) of the forum, a couple of guys who are the biggest trolls and use personal attacks instead of fact whine over me??!!

Stay in school and don't do drugs, slickling

[The Great Catpiss]