A question for those that support minimum wage increases

Publius · 11-09-2006, 02:24 PM

Would you also support the government setting a minimum price for milk of, say, $5 per gallon? After all, family owned milk producers are going under because their product is not profitable at the current levels and they have no other skills to fall back on.

So shouldn't the government help out these people by setting a price floor under which their product cannot legally be sold? After all, they do it for people that are selling the product known as labor.

kinggovernor · 11-09-2006, 02:27 PM

this already happens

Publius · 11-09-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

this already happens

Im aware. I'm talking about increasing that price floor because obviously the current level simply isn't enough for them to live on.

kinggovernor · 11-09-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

Im aware. I'm talking about increasing that price floor because obviously the current level simply isn't enough for them to live on.

I completely agree with you, responible human beings would ensure that dairy farmers are in the upper middle class

Thorgrim · 11-09-2006, 02:33 PM

By "those who support" you mean "the american people"

Those ballot initiatives pass everytime, and most Americans want it, the Democrats are reflecting the will of the people, this is perfectly fine in situations where we can always lower the minimum wage if it destroys the economy or something ridiculous

Publius · 11-09-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

By "those who support" you mean "the american people"

Those ballot initiatives pass everytime, and most Americans want it, the Democrats are reflecting the will of the people, this is perfectly fine in situations where we can always lower the minimum wage if it destroys the economy or something ridiculous

So you think the majority is a great and wonderful thing when they agree with things Democrats like, yet when they agree with things the Republicans like you find them to be stupid and worthless.

Interesting.

kinggovernor · 11-09-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

By "those who support" you mean "the american people"

Those ballot initiatives pass everytime, and most Americans want it, the Democrats are reflecting the will of the people, this is perfectly fine in situations where we can always lower the minimum wage if it destroys the economy or something ridiculous

the will of the people is to ban gay marriage, so that should happen to

Thorgrim · 11-09-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

So you think the majority is a great and wonderful thing when they agree with things Democrats like, yet when they agree with things the Republicans like you find them to be stupid and worthless.

Interesting.

When it comes to easy legislation, yes, we should reflect the majority

We already passed a federal law defining marriage as between a man and a woman...you see me crowing about that everyday?

No, we can always get rid of it later, but let the people speak and let them elect representatives pass laws

Publius · 11-09-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

the will of the people is to ban gay marriage, so that should happen to

If it turns out to harm our society, we can always go back and allow it.

Thorgrim · 11-09-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

If it turns out to harm our society, we can always go back and allow it.

that is the current case...

Publius · 11-09-2006, 02:41 PM

And if the economy ends up tanking but people don't vote to lower the minimum wage later? The minimum wage has never been lowered, even when we went through almost a decade of horrible economic performance in the 70s and 80s. Why do you think suddenly the electorate would correct a mistake on their part, when they haven't before?

Publius · 11-09-2006, 02:43 PM

Also Thorgrim, since I know you're a fan of the semi-socialist Nordic states... They have no minimum wage laws, rather they have organized labor that sets wage rules through collective bargaining with employers. Why not allow something like that, a pretty damn free market solution, here in the United States?

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

When it comes to easy legislation, yes, we should reflect the majority

The American people have no clue about most of the things they think are ideal when it comes to things like economics.

ballz2wallz · 11-09-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

the will of the people is to ban gay marriage, so that should happen to

zing!

Phantom · 11-09-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

Also Thorgrim, since I know you're a fan of the semi-socialist Nordic states... They have no minimum wage laws, rather they have organized labor that sets wage rules through collective bargaining with employers. Why not allow something like that, a pretty damn free market solution, here in the United States?

Because that wouldn't encourage ignorant voters to support democrats?

Thorgrim · 11-09-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Publius

Also Thorgrim, since I know you're a fan of the semi-socialist Nordic states... They have no minimum wage laws, rather they have organized labor that sets wage rules through collective bargaining with employers. Why not allow something like that, a pretty damn free market solution, here in the United States?

Because that's not what the people or the two big parties want...I'm certainly open to hearing from it if anyone proposes a bill about it or a ballot initiative, but until then I am not going to get into every 9999 million things the US could do in the economy, foreign policy, social issues

kinggovernor · 11-09-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

that is the current case...

so why challenge it the courts?

Thorgrim · 11-09-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so why challenge it the courts?

some think its unconstitutional

If Publius wants to go challenge minimum wage laws in the courts, good for him, im not gonna picket the SC

lew · 11-09-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

some think its unconstitutional

If Publius wants to go challenge minimum wage laws in the courts, good for him, im not gonna picket the SC

Tell me when you'll go Pub, I'll join you.

kinggovernor · 11-09-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

some think its unconstitutional

If Publius wants to go challenge minimum wage laws in the courts, good for him, im not gonna picket the SC

I would be down for that