Question: Whats the difference between anarchy and pure libertarianism? - Page 4

SICKGUY · 11-12-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by lew

Iraq is bad because of the government. Not because of corporations.

its bad because the government has handed the corporations no-bid mega-contracts, and in return, the corporations have run wild with spending and accomplished almost nothing.

hsmith · 11-12-2006, 01:49 PM

which corporations bombed iraq?

which corporations are maintaining a military presence in Iraq?

SICKGUY · 11-12-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by lew

Listing corporations that have benefited from the war mean nothing.

The corporations weren't the ones that went to war. The government was.

this is such a weak argument. its well known that government, especially our current one, shares a bed with big corporations. war profiteering doesnt really benefit the government, but it does line the pockets of big wigs running the companies that build weapons, drill for oil, etc.

are you saying there would be no war in a libertarian society? a big reason for governments starting wars over the years has to do with religion, power, and money.

SICKGUY · 11-12-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

which corporations bombed iraq?

which corporations are maintaining a military presence in Iraq?

Welcome to CACI

Halliburton

hsmith · 11-12-2006, 03:02 PM

WHAT COMPANIES ARE WAGING WAR

why is this a difficult question to anwer?

motivez · 11-12-2006, 03:06 PM

You think they haven't hired private security forces which are allowed to essentially run free in Iraq?

Or that they haven't abused the power they have?

hsmith · 11-12-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

You think they haven't hired private security forces which are allowed to essentially run free in Iraq?

Or that they haven't abused the power they have?

i was waiting for that one to come up

would those companies be doing waht they are doing without the backing of the United States Government?

no.

again, all of you refuse to acknowledge that companies are not to blame, the government is. why is it so hard to acknowledge this simple fact that governments are the only ones with the monopoly power on force and murder?

6SpeedTA95 · 11-12-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

i was waiting for that one to come up

would those companies be doing waht they are doing without the backing of the United States Government?

no.

again, all of you refuse to acknowledge that companies are not to blame, the government is. why is it so hard to acknowledge this simple fact that governments are the only ones with the monopoly power on force and murder?

I think there's plenty that would like to criticize the government because of bush's policies, but to many individuals, corporations are big evil entities that are themselves responsible for much if not all of the problems in the world today. Throughout my undergrad and now my graduate work the amount of hate that many carry for corporations is truly disturbing.

lew · 11-12-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by SICKGUY

this is such a weak argument. its well known that government, especially our current one, shares a bed with big corporations. war profiteering doesnt really benefit the government, but it does line the pockets of big wigs running the companies that build weapons, drill for oil, etc.

are you saying there would be no war in a libertarian society? a big reason for governments starting wars over the years has to do with religion, power, and money.

There could possibly be war in a libertarian society. Nothing is perfect as long as you are dealing with humans.

However, various political systems can be more favorable to war. Our current system is very favorable to war.

Diamond Cross · 11-13-2006, 02:59 AM

According to libertarian ideals one of the functions of government they wish to keep is that ofc a standing army to safedguard the country. At the very least, they do acknowledge that a government must have some basic functions.

Diamond Cross · 11-13-2006, 03:07 AM

Well, at least with some libertarians, it would be corporate rule. Which is really just another form of government.

But in all of history, there has never really been a government run purely by corporations.

nbiggershaft · 11-13-2006, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by hsmith

i was waiting for that one to come up

would those companies be doing waht they are doing without the backing of the United States Government?

no.

again, all of you refuse to acknowledge that companies are not to blame, the government is. why is it so hard to acknowledge this simple fact that governments are the only ones with the monopoly power on force and murder?

I don't know how we got off onto this super tangent, but i believe this all originated from the handlings off wasteful and abusive big business with government contracts. Which I guess was an arguement against privatization, but I never saw "corporations invaded Iraq".
My two cents: There has been little oversight and huge wastes with these private contracts, but with huge specialized jobs like this the government is going to have to contract out. So there just needs to be more oversight.

Lets try and get a little bit more on topic if we are going to continue.

thatguyoverthere · 11-13-2006, 08:58 AM

It's the military-industrial complex. It's undue influence by companies who make weapons and do reconstruction. It's in their interest to have wars.

Follow the money.

Who's making money on the war? The companies that build the weapons and do reconstruction. Who's losing money on the war? The taxpayers and the government. It's not that hard to understand.

lew · 11-13-2006, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

It's the military-industrial complex. It's undue influence by companies who make weapons and do reconstruction. It's in their interest to have wars.

Follow the money.

Who's making money on the war? The companies that build the weapons and do reconstruction. Who's losing money on the war? The taxpayers and the government. It's not that hard to understand.

But there WOULD NOT BE a war without the government.

This has nothing to do with corporations and everything to do with governments.

Who were / are behind the Nazis, the Communists, the terrorists, etc? Not corporations - governments.

Ardentfrost · 11-13-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by lew

But there WOULD NOT BE a war without the government.

This has nothing to do with corporations and everything to do with governments.

Who were / are behind the Nazis, the Communists, the terrorists, etc? Not corporations - governments.

Yeah, what's important to understand is that governments can create situations where corporations lobby for wars (such as ours) but the final say is always the government itself. Haliburton has never mobilized it's forces against a nation, but the government which is pays a lot of money to lobby in has and does.

ballz2wallz · 11-13-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

You think they haven't hired private security forces which are allowed to essentially run free in Iraq?

Or that they haven't abused the power they have?

All companies used by the government to help in Iraq would be used no matter what government or what war we were in. That's their job, and they're the only ones that can do it. To blame it on this admin is

Scrum · 11-13-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

All companies used by the government to help in Iraq would be used no matter what government or what war we were in. That's their job, and they're the only ones that can do it. To blame it on this admin is

That's not true. There are other companies out there that can handle the jobs that Haliburton is doing.

Watch "Iraq for Sale" by Greenwald.

ballz2wallz · 11-13-2006, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

That's not true. There are other companies out there that can handle the jobs that Haliburton is doing.

Watch "Iraq for Sale" by Greenwald.

Are they better than Halliburton? Halliburton has been used by the government long before this admin. Noone in any way can blame Bush and co. for their involvement.