Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo The fact remains that there was never any significant movement to remove the word "Christmas" (when private businesses use it, anyway). Any removal of the word was simply a voluntary attempt to appeal to a larger demographic and therefore make more profit. Hence, the term "war ...
11-13-2006, 12:46 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE 
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11-13-2006, 01:21 PM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
| The biggest thing that gets me about Christians to fight for Christmas is that Christmas is a pagan holiday. Nothing about Christmas is Christian. And there is nothing in the Bible to support Christmas. | ||||
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11-13-2006, 02:11 PM
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| Common Sense Conservative  Realist
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross The concept of a Jesus savior character isn't even Christian.
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11-13-2006, 06:31 PM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Virtually all Christian traditions, and even concepts are based on other religions. Hell, "father Christmas" etc.... | ||||
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11-13-2006, 06:41 PM
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| I DIDNT KNOW THAT  Corpus Christi, Texas
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross Your absolutely right. In fact it is the pagan celebration of the winter solstice. I think it has also been determined that Christ could not have been born in December rather late summer or early fall. There really is nothing Christian to the holiday. I have said happy holidays for years and will continue to do so.
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11-13-2006, 06:42 PM
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| I DIDNT KNOW THAT Corpus Christi, Texas
| Originally Posted by Kytro Most are pagan rituals that had very spiritual meanings for pagans.
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11-13-2006, 06:47 PM
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by KatKanPlay It's a mixture. Not just pagan stuff, though it certainly had a large influence when it was basically merged with Christianity
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11-13-2006, 07:03 PM
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| "He does own the building."  Moderate
| The fact that groups sued cities to make them remove Nativity scenes or references to "Christmas" from public holiday schedules means nothing? Come on. Christians never went out in any concerted effort to say "Don't let those dirty Jews say chanukkah, and don't let those dirty Afrikans say Kwanza, and don't let those dirty athiests say happy holidays!". It happened the OTHER way round. Primarily athiest/agnostic groups called upon municipalities, school districts, state and county governments to remove any reference to Christmas because it offended them. Please do not pretend this didn't happen. And to call this a Republican scam is just laughable (though FNC does know how to spin it in to ratings). | ||||
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11-13-2006, 07:05 PM
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| "He does own the building." Moderate
| As to the comments about the history of xmas, the exact date, etc, it is all moot. It is supposed to be a time of celebration. Celebrating the birth of the son of God, etc. Not "hey, the calendar says it's july 15 you nub". | ||||
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11-13-2006, 07:20 PM
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by Thomas Crown Waste of time and effort.
Originally Posted by Thomas Crown No-one has the right not not be offended, but if things have to be removed there has to be some legal backing in order to force it.
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11-13-2006, 07:29 PM
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| "He does own the building." Moderate
| Not so. For instance, the FEDERAL guarantee of seperation of church and state. It doesn't exist as most people believe it does. It is not even constitutionally protected. DOH. It certainly doesn't apply on a State, County or Municipal level even if it did. And I agree, such law suits are huge wastes of time and energy and finances. We are paying for it though. The basis in law is flawed. It is a liberal judges interpretation of a law. Hence the term "Legislating from the bench". | ||||
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11-13-2006, 07:34 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Thomas Crown While others were allowed to stay...
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11-13-2006, 07:43 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by Thomas Crown Didn't we have a thread about Katherine Harris (Florida chick) saying this?
I think it was just as ridiculous either time.
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11-13-2006, 07:50 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland 'Separation of Church and State' is not constitutional.
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11-13-2006, 07:58 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz In this country, do we have a seperation of Church and State?
Is our government allowed to endorse religion? If so, then if people want to beef about Government having Christmas Trees, or Nativity's, or whatever, then they have a legitamate beef. I think the war on Christmas is something for these talk jocks to spew about for a couple weeks while news is slow. Who cares anyways? I could care less, just let me do what I want in my own home for the holidays, and no one gets hurt.  | ||||
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11-13-2006, 08:13 PM
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by Thomas Crown I believe that other people hold contrary opinions, and if judges agree with them then it does exist for all practical purposes.
Originally Posted by Thomas Crown Which is one viewpoint, but as long as judges can make those sort of decisions they will impose their viewpoints.
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11-13-2006, 08:39 PM
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11-13-2006, 08:45 PM
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| There damn well should be a separation of church and state. Religion + politics is never a good mix | ||||
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11-13-2006, 10:08 PM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| Absolutely. John Locke argues for it in his "An Essay Conerning Toleration" by saying that it is not the government's job to regulate man's relationship with God. Then came Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danburyh Baptists and the Baptists became one of the leading proponents for the separation of Chruch and State. | ||||
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11-14-2006, 03:52 AM
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| Bokonist  Independent Kansas City
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz lol you can interpret the constitution however you want. The people in charge of doing that will say differently.
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Have you been to a Walmart lately? It's like the fucking United Nations. I've never seen so many different people and languages spoken in one place. 
