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Old 05-29-2012, 09:12 AM   #1
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U.S. military veterans overwhelmingly support Mitt Romney to take over as president

Mitt Romney Enjoys Huge Lead Among Veterans
The former governor's edge among men is almost entirely explained by veterans.

U.S. military veterans overwhelmingly support Mitt Romney to take over as president from Barack Obama, according to a new Gallup poll released on Memorial Day. Among veterans, who make up around 13 percent of the adult population, Romney enjoys a 24-percentage-point lead over Obama, 58 percent to 34 percent, while Obama has a four-percentage-point lead among non-veterans.
Veterans prefer Romney over Obama by large margin

This should lay to rest the idiotic idea that veterans ever supported Ron Paul in significant numbers, as well any notion that they supported Obama.

Hopefully this will lead to Obama be removed from office.
 
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:09 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
This should lay to rest the idiotic idea that veterans ever supported Ron Paul in significant numbers,
This is completely unrelated. The only thing idiotic here is the "thought process" you used to reach this conclusion.

First, there wasn't, to my knowledge, a claim of huge veteran support for Ron Paul. From what I saw the claims were made he got quite a bit of support from active military. While active military is a subset of veterans, I'd imagine most of the retired military wouldn't support him.

Second, even if there was a claim of huge veteran support of Ron Paul, this article does nothing to disprove it. The same people supporting Romney over Obama now could have been supporting Paul over Romney.
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:16 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
Mitt Romney Enjoys Huge Lead Among Veterans
The former governor's edge among men is almost entirely explained by veterans.

U.S. military veterans overwhelmingly support Mitt Romney to take over as president from Barack Obama, according to a new Gallup poll released on Memorial Day. Among veterans, who make up around 13 percent of the adult population, Romney enjoys a 24-percentage-point lead over Obama, 58 percent to 34 percent, while Obama has a four-percentage-point lead among non-veterans.
Veterans prefer Romney over Obama by large margin

This should lay to rest the idiotic idea that veterans ever supported Ron Paul in significant numbers, as well any notion that they supported Obama.

Hopefully this will lead to Obama be removed from office.
And active duty support Obama. What's your point?
 
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:38 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by David View Post
And active duty support Obama. What's your point?
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:46 PM   #7
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Active duty service members supported Ron Paul because he wanted to drastically shift our foreign policy from what it's been for nearly a century and not try to police the world. It's a tough pill for some conservatives to handle because underneath all their rhetoric lay that ol' manifest destiny pipe dream that has the US having some moral obligation to dictate every aspect of life to the world. I'd say we have plenty to fix within our borders first. However, I wouldn't think it wise to completely pull our brains out of the every spot across the world we currently reside in.
 
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Originally Posted by Salty Dog View Post
Active duty service members supported Ron Paul because he wanted to drastically shift our foreign policy from what it's been for nearly a century and not try to police the world. It's a tough pill for some conservatives to handle because underneath all their rhetoric lay that ol' manifest destiny pipe dream that has the US having some moral obligation to dictate every aspect of life to the world. I'd say we have plenty to fix within our borders first. However, I wouldn't think it wise to completely pull our brains out of the every spot across the world we currently reside in.
I'm not sure I'd call it a pipe dream when over 50% of this rock is inside our borders. Why does everyone ignore that we own the Pacific?
 
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:35 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Salty Dog View Post
Active duty service members supported Ron Paul because he wanted to drastically shift our foreign policy from what it's been for nearly a century and not try to police the world. It's a tough pill for some conservatives to handle because underneath all their rhetoric lay that ol' manifest destiny pipe dream that has the US having some moral obligation to dictate every aspect of life to the world. I'd say we have plenty to fix within our borders first. However, I wouldn't think it wise to completely pull our brains out of the every spot across the world we currently reside in.
Do you have a poll that shows that a majority of active duty service members supporting Ron Paul?
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
Do you have a poll that shows that a majority of active duty service members supporting Ron Paul?
Don't recall ever seeing a poll. The claim came from individual military donations to the campaign. In September of 2011 he had collected almost 100k from military members while Romney had less than 15k.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5if.../preview?pli=1
 
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Old 05-30-2012, 01:19 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by stolz25 View Post
Don't recall ever seeing a poll. The claim came from individual military donations to the campaign. In September of 2011 he had collected almost 100k from military members while Romney had less than 15k.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5if.../preview?pli=1
Paul, who is trailing in election polls, drew the most money from Army-affiliated donors — $103,779 of his total in 630 donations. He received 356 Air Force donations totaling $56,544; 312 Navy donations totaling $68,157; and 107 Marine Corps donations totaling $14,027, according to the records.

Obama also drew most of his military donations from people affiliated with the Army, receiving $68,236 in 613 donations. He received $25,616 in 233 Air Force donations, $29,137 in 220 Navy donations and $7,052 in 90 Marine Corps donations.
Ron Paul gets the most military donations - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times
And all of those donations came from a very, very small group of people. There are roughly 1.4 million active duty troops and Ron Paul got a donation from .045% of them. (if my math is right )
 
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Old 05-30-2012, 01:27 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
And all of those donations came from a very, very small group of people. There are roughly 1.4 million active duty troops and Ron Paul got a donation from .045% of them. (if my math is right )
I didn't say it was statistically significant, I just said you were falsifying the claims made about Ron Paul's support. It's much easier to knock over a straw man though.

Of the military members who cared enough to support a candidate, Ron Paul had the overwhelming majority of that support. More than all the other republicans added together.
 
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:41 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by stolz25 View Post
I didn't say it was statistically significant, I just said you were falsifying the claims made about Ron Paul's support. It's much easier to knock over a straw man though.

Of the military members who cared enough to support a candidate, Ron Paul had the overwhelming majority of that support. More than all the other republicans added together.
No, Paul fans were the ones making false claims by overstating his military support. A vocal minority should never be confused for majority support. There are more ways to support a candidate than to make a donation of money, unless perhaps you want to switch to a system where the candidate with the most money wins?
 
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Old 05-30-2012, 06:17 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
A vocal minority should never be confused for majority support.
I think you're the one who is confused about this. No one said he carried the entire military and if they did, they would be wrong.

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There are more ways to support a candidate than to make a donation of money, unless perhaps you want to switch to a system where the candidate with the most money wins?
What kind of system do you think we have?

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Old 05-30-2012, 06:23 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
Do you have a poll that shows that a majority of active duty service members supporting Ron Paul?
It wasn't based on a poll. It was based on donations and Ron Paul gained more than the other Republican candidates.

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I'm not sure I'd call it a pipe dream when over 50% of this rock is inside our borders. Why does everyone ignore that we own the Pacific?
Pipe dream in that some Americans still believe in manifest destiny. One has to question when is enough? Does the entire world need to be the United States of America?

I'm not ignoring our presence in the Pacific. Rather, I'd question why territories granted to us after WWII are still an absolute necessity to 2012 USA? China? Russia? I get it. North Korea? Maybe. But there are plenty of places we don't need to be.
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
A vocal minority should never be confused for majority support.
I can only provide the facts. I can't make your brain work better to keep those facts from confusing you.
 
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:29 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Salty Dog View Post
What kind of system do you think we have?
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It's a lot like money ball. The next brad pitt equal to a campaign manager, measuring votes per dollar, will be a rich feller.
 
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Originally Posted by kinggovernor View Post
No, Paul fans were the ones making false claims by overstating his military support. A vocal minority should never be confused for majority support. There are more ways to support a candidate than to make a donation of money, unless perhaps you want to switch to a system where the candidate with the most money wins?
And you are kind of doing the same thing. Do you have anything to disprove these claims?
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