Atheist ignorance

[raps]

“Religious freedom is guaranteed to the individual: not a collection of individuals or an organization. A church does not have religious freedom: the individual congregants do. A collection of religious persons do not have religious freedom: the individuals in that collection do. You cannot amass your individual freedoms to trump the freedoms of others.”
Blair Scott, Communications Director, American Atheists Inc.

This is the dumbest thing I've read in a long time.

Actually, I went to the atheists.org site and there is a lot of dumb and ignorance and hatred. Don't think I've ever experienced hypocrisy the likes of which I have been reading on there.

[illavbill]

I'm an Atheist because I think god and the whole concept to be bullshit and a coping mechanism for weak minded people. I'm not any part of a club. But some organized religious people make me sick with their hatred of everybody for something because some old ass book says so.

In a lot of the country people that don't believe in the magic sky man are shit on by the poor oppressed white Christians.

Atheism is a lack of a belief in a deity. How is a person that says he's a head of a group of people that don't believe in something representative AT ALL of someone like me (or anyone else who isn't part of their group?) who just flat out doesn't believe god/a god/multiple gods exist. I have plenty of friends that are religious, they're great people and I don't knock them for their beliefs and they don't bother me for my lack there of.

[illavbill]

And I think what he was trying to get across w/ that quote is yes, everyone in America is guaranteed religious freedom. But that organized religion that goes out shaming gays and other different than they shouldn't have any sort of protection for that harmful hateful shit they spew.

IMO churches shouldn't be given tax exempt status the second they start into their political bullshit, which they all do.

[raps]

I was referencing the organized atheists who are constantly complaining about anything and everything even slightly religious in public. They say, leave us alone, stop pushing your religion on us while at the same time they push their secular agenda on everything and everyone who is religious. They view religion as for the weak minded and stupid and push their hate upon the religious people as a whole without regard to the individual who may practice.

Religious institutions have every right to let their beliefs be known and every right to not be forced by the public to violate their beliefs. The quote was written in reference to the birth control thing. He was basically saying that the religious institutions complaining about having to pay for birth control for it's employees have no ground to stand on because they do not have the right to religious freedom. That is just a blatantly stupid claim.

[illavbill]

Originally Posted by raps

I was referencing the organized atheists who are constantly complaining about anything and everything even slightly religious in public. They say, leave us alone, stop pushing your religion on us while at the same time they push their secular agenda on everything and everyone who is religious. They view religion as for the weak minded and stupid and push their hate upon the religious people as a whole without regard to the individual who may practice.

Religious institutions have every right to let their beliefs be known and every right to not be forced by the public to violate their beliefs. The quote was written in reference to the birth control thing. He was basically saying that the religious institutions complaining about having to pay for birth control for it's employees have no ground to stand on because they do not have the right to religious freedom. That is just a blatantly stupid claim.

But you obviously are religious and don't see anything wrong with the church and their members trying to fuck over anything that doesn't believe with their god .. eerr pastor's ideals. Yeah some atheists can be annoying but you don't hear them going to bombing abortion clinics, trying to restrict healthcare for women on atheistic beliefs, shooting abortion doctors IN SIDE THE FUCKING CHURCH. I get sick of hearing about religious shit from those obnoxious religious pricks (not all religious people are like this) but it is fucking ridiculous. It's almost always the Christians and Catholics that are using their power to stop people from doing something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with their lives.

There should be an OBVIOUS and LARGE separation of church and state AND corporation and state.

[raps]

Originally Posted by illavbill

But you obviously are religious and don't see anything wrong with the church and their members trying to fuck over anything that doesn't believe with their god .. eerr pastor's ideals. Yeah some atheists can be annoying but you don't hear them going to bombing abortion clinics, trying to restrict healthcare for women on atheistic beliefs, shooting abortion doctors IN SIDE THE FUCKING CHURCH. I get sick of hearing about religious shit from those obnoxious religious pricks (not all religious people are like this) but it is fucking ridiculous. It's almost always the Christians and Catholics that are using their power to stop people from doing something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with their lives.

There should be an OBVIOUS and LARGE separation of church and state AND corporation and state.

A vast majority of religious people arent trying to fuck anything over. In the case if the birth control issue the church is simply resisting being forced to pay for it. Everyone else can, the church doesn't care. It's just resisting the government forcing it to violate the beliefs of its followers. You can't really argue against that unless you don't believe in true religious freedom.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by raps

A vast majority of religious people arent trying to fuck anything over. In the case if the birth control issue the church is simply resisting being forced to pay for it. Everyone else can, the church doesn't care. It's just resisting the government forcing it to violate the beliefs of its followers. You can't really argue against that unless you don't believe in true religious freedom.

And a vast majority of atheists arent trying to fuck anything over..

[raps]

Originally Posted by wanna be drummer

And a vast majority of atheists arent trying to fuck anything over..

Just the asshole ones who make A big deal out of nothing.

[illavbill]

Originally Posted by raps

Just the asshole ones who make A big deal out of nothing.

But they aren't , that's the thing man. We just don't believe in the sky fairy and don't want their discrimination against others to be the "norm" in the nation.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by raps

Just the asshole ones who make A big deal out of nothing.

Yes, like them. Religious people do the same thing though. This is true of all beliefs.

[CharlieK]

Here you are doing a magnificent job of contradicting practically everything you are stating.

Originally Posted by illavbill

I'm an Atheist because I think god and the whole concept to be bullshit and a coping mechanism for weak minded people. I'm not any part of a club. But some organized religious people make me sick with their hatred of everybody for something because some old ass book says so.

And you think that's what being an atheist is all about: about your hatred of others? LOL, you are so predictable in your animus.

And as for being in a club, you must first be admitted into one. Have you been able to become a member of any lately?

And as for being sick, why do you spend so much time in front of a mirror? Its nice to be in love with one's self, but you spend too much time at it.

Originally Posted by by our local Einstein

In a lot of the country people that don't believe in the magic sky man are shit on by the poor oppressed white Christians.

I think I am about to bust a gut. You are so funny Komrade.

Originally Posted by Einstein trying to impress us with his intellect

Atheism is a lack of a belief in a deity.

No Albert, that is called Agnosticism. Big difference.

How is a person that says he's a head of a group of people that don't believe in something representative AT ALL of someone like me (or anyone else who isn't part of their group?) who just flat out doesn't believe god/a god/multiple gods exist. I have plenty of friends that are religious, they're great people and I don't knock them for their beliefs and they don't bother me for my lack there of.

Is there anyone who wants to represent you? Is there really someone out there, who is Masochist-in-Chief?

[wanna be drummer]

No Albert, that is called Agnosticism. Big difference.

Agnosticism is the belief that one cannot know a deity exists or does not exist. Atheism is the belief that a deity does not exist, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. There's a difference.



Edit: I reread what illavbill said, and you're technically right, he was referring to agnosticism. But you knew what he meant.

[CharlieK]

Originally Posted by wanna be drummer

Agnosticism is the belief that one cannot know a deity exists or does not exist. Atheism is the belief that a deity does not exist, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. There's a difference.



Edit: I reread what illavbill said, and you're technically right, he was referring to agnosticism. But you knew what he meant.

Technically you are correct there: he is most predictable.

But as for your contention that "Atheism is the belief that a deity does not exist, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it." is not a belief. It is an assertion based upon a 'hope', 'desire', or 'faith'. That in turn moves 'Atheism' into the category of religion of sorts.

It is illogic to expect someone to declare with any certainty that there is definitely no Creator. Again that would call for a 'faith', one way or the other. That is why Stossel has been so exacting about his agnosticism, and he's right.

[wanna be drummer]

Originally Posted by CharlieK

Technically you are correct there: he is most predictable.

But as for your contention that "Atheism is the belief that a deity does not exist, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it." is not a belief. It is an assertion based upon a 'hope', 'desire', or 'faith'. That in turn moves 'Atheism' into the category of religion of sorts.

It is illogic to expect someone to declare with any certainty that there is definitely no Creator. Again that would call for a 'faith', one way or the other. That is why Stossel has been so exacting about his agnosticism, and he's right.

No. When there is zero evidence of a God that is readily available, not thinking there is one is no more an assertion based on 'hopes, desires, or faith' than would be not thinking Santa Claus exists. To make atheism a religious (faith-based) belief, you would have to show evidence of a deity and have them still deny the existence of the deity. This hasn't happened. Therefore, it's not a religion. It doesn't require belief in anything supernatural.


By the way, I'm not an atheist, just playing Devil's Advocate.

[CharlieK]

Ok, whatever you choose to believe, I'm all for it; just as long as you don't try to force your thinking on to others.

[Carter Raines]

It's hardly a dumb thing...it's the truth...corporations nor BUILDINGS, nor institutions are persons...so they don't have personal liberty...only a human being has personal liberties and in the US one of those liberties is being able to practice your religion.