The reason why Libertarians don't get elected into office is because...

[7960]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

The only thing they are accomplishing is setting up a web page so they can point to something when others say they aren't doing anything

its just a bunch of words on a webpage

the basic point remains, the people of New Hampshire have elected the Democrats to both govern and represent them...the party that supports a more active government

they might as well do this project in New York because thats how dumb it is

"affect politics" yeah, my ass they will, the only ignorance is the project for believing its still viable, and you for continually citing it like it means something

Wow, now I see the light. You are completely correct. I agree with you 100%.

Within 24 hours of making the decision to affect politics in NH the libertarians should have had the governor removed and a recall election declared and their new libertarian governor nominated. In the days between the recall and the actual election they should have organized (as you said) between 200-and 300,000 voters to move to NH and establish residency. Yes, all that is possible in a few days. The fact that they didn't do it means they're not serious about their project.

You are a great american!!

[Thorgrim]

BS, the libertarians have known NH was their best target for decades...northeast lax social values with hard-nosed anti-tax republicans

they throw up some webpage and apparently its the beginning of a new era

[Ardentfrost]

Lots of people have already moved and the promise list is quite large. It's going pretty well I'd say, albeit slow.

A lot of libertarians don't want to give up in their state however, which is to be expected. If you just expect every libertarian to pack up and move to NH in a heartbeat, well.. that's rather unreasonable, no?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Lots of people have already moved and the promise list is quite large. It's going pretty well I'd say, albeit slow.

A lot of libertarians don't want to give up in their state however, which is to be expected. If you just expect every libertarian to pack up and move to NH in a heartbeat, well.. that's rather unreasonable, no?

unreasonable is correlated to how much the issue matters

From all the whining libertarians do (present company excluded) you'd think Republicans and Democrats had a tyrannical rule over America and were violating the founding fathers in the most perverse ways possible

If the situation is that bad, I'd think action would be both more swiftful and powerful

[7960]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

unreasonable is correlated to how much the issue matters

From all the whining libertarians do (present company excluded) you'd think Republicans and Democrats had a tyrannical rule over America and were violating the founding fathers in the most perverse ways possible

If the situation is that bad, I'd think action would be both more swiftful and powerful

Ahh yes. Again, you are 100% right!!

I can see it so clearly now!! It's like I'm Barclay after getting zapped with that alien probe that makes his IQ go in the thousands so he'd be know how to bring the Enterprise to the center of the universe to meet the Cytherians. If something is not done exactly as you'd do it then it must be wrong and doomed to fail. PERFECT!!! I feel so enlightened

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by 7960

Ahh yes. Again, you are 100% right!!

I can see it so clearly now!! It's like I'm Barclay after getting zapped with that alien probe that makes his IQ go in the thousands so he'd be know how to bring the Enterprise to the center of the universe to meet the Cytherians. If something is not done exactly as you'd do it then it must be wrong and doomed to fail. PERFECT!!! I feel so enlightened

I suspect, that just like Barclay, you are headed back to your inept self now that you've finished reading my post, good luck getting Counsellor Troi with your old social skills

[7960]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I suspect, that just like Barclay, you are headed back to your inept self now that you've finished reading my post, good luck getting Counsellor Troi with your old social skills

at least he tried and failed........... you're just failing.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by 7960

at least he tried and failed........... you're just failing.

Dkos netroots candidates I supported > your election predictions

that's success, paypal $50 if you want lessons

[TheScatman]

Alaska seems like another place besides NH to get libertarians elected. Plus some other govenors act with a decently libertarian bent(see Mark Sanford), so its not like you need just the big-L party to get the ideas across, even at the statewide level

[7960]

Originally Posted by TheScatman

Alaska seems like another place besides NH to get libertarians elected. Plus some other govenors act with a decently libertarian bent(see Mark Sanford), so its not like you need just the big-L party to get the ideas across, even at the statewide level

libertarians said they researched states and picked NH because of the low taxes, high standard of living, good education, small size..........there's more. Follow the link above and read about why they picked NH and where the project is.

[TheScatman]

Originally Posted by 7960

libertarians said they researched states and picked NH because of the low taxes, high standard of living, good education, small size..........there's more. Follow the link above and read about why they picked NH and where the project is.

But Im saying thats all well and good to pick a state, but people with a libertarian bent can run under major party labels and move the ideas as well

[7960]

Originally Posted by TheScatman

But Im saying thats all well and good to pick a state, but people with a libertarian bent can run under major party labels and move the ideas as well

but if they run under majority party labels then they're not libertarians, are they?

[lew]

Originally Posted by 7960

but if they run under majority party labels then they're not libertarians, are they?

Of course they are. Ron Paul being the prime example. While it's rare, there are some libertarians in the two big parties.

Little "l" libertarians are what I'm concerned about, not big "L" Libertarians.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

What's funny is that this is an example of the free market in work

People see a languishing project going on for how many years, see it going nowhere, and they choose to invest their $20 dollars or however much in to other programs, even ones that were failing (democrats) over libertarians

They voted with their dollars and their votes...to someone else

If you have a product(libertarianism), you have to convince people, especially people who like your product (libertarians) that its worth investing in...for future gains...that hasn't happened

In a real free market, libertarianism would have gone bankrupt and been shut down years ago, odd that libertarians abandon the basic rules of the free market to keep their message alive

people voting with their wallet:

liberals vote for wealth redistribution

Republican base votes for lower taxes, govt spending that helps them, etc

business-conservatives vote for tax loopholes and basically buy legislation like the internet gambling thing

that's how people currently spend their money on parties, the problem with fairness in economics and small govt is that without special interests' backing, your cashflow is low - that's the libertarian monetary struggle in a nutshell

[thomez]

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