Individual Mandated Ruled Constitutional

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 10:12 AM

Watching the updates now....

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 10:13 AM

Entire ACA upheld except for some limitations on state Medicaid witholdings....

Awesome.

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 10:15 AM

Wait...CNN says it's Unconstitutional...hmmm...

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 10:18 AM

Ok...CNN corrected.

The Great Catpiss · 06-28-2012, 11:03 AM

The ruling calls the fine a tax.

Seriously, the SC should not be so closely split on matters if the judges were doing their jobs properly.

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 12:20 PM

The opinion if interested...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/inte...-read-opinion/

The Great Catpiss · 06-28-2012, 12:37 PM

Citizens are now forced to pay Taxes to Insurance Companies. You know, those big evil corporations that the people who passed this bill pretend that they hate so much.

http://paul.house.gov/index.php?opti...1987&Itemid=28

WASHINGTON, DC – Congressman Ron Paul issued the following statement on the Supreme Court's decision to uphold most of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
"I strongly disagree with today’s decision by the Supreme Court, but I am not surprised. The Court has a dismal record when it comes to protecting liberty against unconstitutional excesses by Congress.

"Today we should remember that virtually everything government does is a 'mandate.' The issue is not whether Congress can compel commerce by forcing you to buy insurance, or simply compel you to pay a tax if you don’t. The issue is that this compulsion implies the use of government force against those who refuse. The fundamental hallmark of a free society should be the rejection of force. In a free society, therefore, individuals could opt out of “Obamacare” without paying a government tribute.
"Those of us in Congress who believe in individual liberty must work tirelessly to repeal this national health care law and reduce federal involvement in healthcare generally. Obamacare can only increase third party interference in the doctor-patient relationship, increase costs, and reduce the quality of care. Only free market medicine can restore the critical independence of doctors, reduce costs through real competition and price sensitivity, and eliminate enormous paperwork burdens. Americans will opt out of Obamacare with or without Congress, but we can seize the opportunity today by crafting the legal framework to allow them to do so."

raps · 06-28-2012, 02:37 PM

I'm leaning toward thinking Roberts decision on this was weighted toward keeping the president and his administration off the scotus. The admin has been incredibly critical of the scotus the past four years and have been issuing veiled threats about how they better make the right decision on this case. The admin insisted it was not a tax in the hearings so why did the scotus rule that it is constitutional under the taxing powers saying it is a tax?

Something just doesn't quite add up here with this ruling.

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by raps

I'm leaning toward thinking Roberts decision on this was weighted toward keeping the president and his administration off the scotus. The admin has been incredibly critical of the scotus the past four years and have been issuing veiled threats about how they better make the right decision on this case. The admin insisted it was not a tax in the hearings so why did the scotus rule that it is constitutional under the taxing powers saying it is a tax?

Something just doesn't quite add up here with this ruling.

Yeah, couldn't have been ANYTHING he wrote in his opinion.

raps · 06-28-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Yeah, couldn't have been ANYTHING he wrote in his opinion.

Care to provide us all with some quotes from the opinion Mr. Ass.

illavbill · 06-28-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by raps

I'm leaning toward thinking Roberts decision on this was weighted toward keeping the president and his administration off the scotus. The admin has been incredibly critical of the scotus the past four years and have been issuing veiled threats about how they better make the right decision on this case. The admin insisted it was not a tax in the hearings so why did the scotus rule that it is constitutional under the taxing powers saying it is a tax?

Something just doesn't quite add up here with this ruling.

It's all a conspiracy man!

raps · 06-28-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by illavbill

It's all a conspiracy man!

Not a conspiracy, just the influence of political bullshit. Roosevelt did something similar with threats to the scotus if they didn't start ruling in his favor on things.

SonicBoom · 06-28-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Catpiss

Seriously, the SC should not be so closely split on matters if the judges were doing their jobs properly.

Agreed. WTF.

SonicBoom · 06-28-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Watching the updates now....

lols. your just frothing at the mouth, eh?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad somebody finally did something.

and by somebody I do not mean the 'Pubs.

DosEquis · 06-28-2012, 04:56 PM

YouTube

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by SonicBoom

lols. your just frothing at the mouth, eh?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad somebody finally did something.

and by somebody I do not mean the 'Pubs.

With Italy winning and the ACA being upheld...I am doing well...

add to that the enjoyment I've had watching the Republican meltdown and I am utterly giddy.

But to your point...yes...it is a first step. I hope there's follow up to help reign in the costs on Medicare/Medicaid...the VA hospital system...Social Security. This could be used as a first step to help fix all.

raps · 06-28-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

With Italy winning and the ACA being upheld...I am doing well...

add to that the enjoyment I've had watching the Republican meltdown and I am utterly giddy.

But to your point...yes...it is a first step. I hope there's follow up to help reign in the costs on Medicare/Medicaid...the VA hospital system...Social Security. This could be used as a first step to help fix all.

Holy shit dude. You need to stop smoking the drugs.

Donkey® · 06-28-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by raps

Holy shit dude. You need to stop smoking the drugs.

Why am I on drugs because I have hope that things might be changing for the better?

raps · 06-28-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Why am I on drugs because I have hope that things might be changing for the better?

The things you are hoping for are never going to happen. Ever since the inception of those programs they have grown constantly beyond any projections ever provided and it's not going to stop.

stolz25 · 06-28-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by raps

The things you are hoping for are never going to happen. Ever since the inception of those programs they have grown constantly beyond any projections ever provided and it's not going to stop.

If course it's going to stop. It's impossible for them to continue at their current rate.