Feds: "Arizona, don't call us with your immigration issues. We're not listening."

Swift · 07-04-2012, 01:08 PM

Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police - Washington Times

“We will not be issuing detainers on individuals unless they clearly meet our defined priorities,” one official said in a telephone briefing.

Uh, what? If they are illegal they are illegal. What are these priorities? We're not talking FBI investigations or CIA operations. We're talking illegal immigrants. Why would the feds not detain those that are reported?

I really like how the feds are picking and choosing which parts of the constitution it likes to enforce.

Donkey® · 07-04-2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Swift

Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police - Washington Times

Uh, what? If they are illegal they are illegal. What are these priorities? We're not talking FBI investigations or CIA operations. We're talking illegal immigrants. Why would the feds not detain those that are reported?

I really like how the feds are picking and choosing which parts of the constitution it likes to enforce.

Guess they should have been nicer? They are allowed to prioritize their activities how they see fit.

stolz25 · 07-04-2012, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Guess they should have been nicer? They are allowed to prioritize their activities how they see fit.

Nah, this is stupid. They first complain about Arizona doing their job and then refuse to do it when they start reporting it to the Feds. They are just telling everyone that Arizona was right in the first place by doing this.

Donkey® · 07-04-2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by stolz25

Nah, this is stupid. They first complain about Arizona doing their job and then refuse to do it when they start reporting it to the Feds. They are just telling everyone that Arizona was right in the first place by doing this.

They aren't "refusing" to do their jobs. They are refusing to do the job as Arizona is trying to direct them to.

If they don't like it, they can secede.

stolz25 · 07-04-2012, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They aren't "refusing" to do their jobs. They are refusing to do the job as Arizona is trying to direct them to.

If they don't like it, they can secede.

I really hope there isn't anyone left on this forum who takes you seriously.

Donkey® · 07-05-2012, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by stolz25

I really hope there isn't anyone left on this forum who takes you seriously.

And the Feds say the exact thing to Arizona.

Swift · 07-05-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And the Feds say the exact thing to Arizona.

And THAT'S the problem.

How is it not a priority of the feds to defend and protect the border? Is that not what they sued over?

Donkey® · 07-05-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Swift

And THAT'S the problem.

How is it not a priority of the feds to defend and protect the border? Is that not what they sued over?

They are defending and protecting the border. They are not obligated to let Arizona help nor are they obligated to take orders on how to do it from Arizona. They are not stopping enforcement, they are prioritizing based on their workload and based on their criteria.

That said, I would have no issue whatsoever if they told Arizona to go suck a cock because they are assholes. (But let's be clear, they aren't doing that here.)

stolz25 · 07-05-2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They are defending and protecting the border.

Not well. They basically said they don't plan on exporting illegal immigrants unless they have a felony.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They are not obligated to let Arizona help nor are they obligated to take orders on how to do it from Arizona.

This is like saying the police aren't obligated to take orders from you should you detain someone who broke into your house.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They are not stopping enforcement, they are prioritizing based on their workload and based on their criteria.

Their criteria, based on what I read in the article, seems to be waiting for them to break another law.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

That said, I would have no issue whatsoever if they told Arizona to go suck a cock because they are assholes. (But let's be clear, they aren't doing that here.)

We already know this, which is why I wonder why anyone would care about your opinion.

I personally think people should be able to go where they please, but I'm not the one dealing with the influx of immigrants. When people can't legally work they often turn to other means of survival. Letting them cross the border and not allowing them to legally find a job is ridiculously stupid.

The Great Catpiss · 07-05-2012, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by stolz25

We already know this, which is why I wonder why anyone would care about your opinion.

It's quite important for us to try to understand how and why someone can come up with such ____________ views.

Swift · 07-06-2012, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

They are defending and protecting the border. They are not obligated to let Arizona help nor are they obligated to take orders on how to do it from Arizona. They are not stopping enforcement, they are prioritizing based on their workload and based on their criteria.

That said, I would have no issue whatsoever if they told Arizona to go suck a cock because they are assholes. (But let's be clear, they aren't doing that here.)

So when someone breaks into your company, and you call the cops to come, they say, "Meh we're handling bigger fish right now. Sorry."

Please...

DosEquis · 07-06-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Swift

So when someone breaks into your company, and you call the cops to come, they say, "Meh we're handling bigger fish right now. Sorry."

Please...

Nah, its much more complex and political.

The feds don't want to be told what to do and they are staffed based on their own criteria for handling this issue. Arizona wants to have a more strict criteria to follow and then expects support from the feds, and the feds probably aren't setup for it. They'd have to pull resources from other states or go overbudget.

If we are going to use your analogy -

You decided that security around your company should be at level X. The last couple years you have shit all over the cops trying to make a political statement about how they don't do their jobs. Now you expect to be able to call the cops all the time to make sure it sustains level X, but the police department just doesn't have the resources nor the desire to help you. They will respond to your call for security issues that meet their criteria, such as a break in, but they won't show up for other things you came up with on your own.

stolz25 · 07-06-2012, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

They will respond to your call for security issues that meet their criteria, such as a break in, but they won't show up for other things you came up with on your own.

Except they didn't come up with it on their own. They are reporting people who are here illegally.

wanna be drummer · 07-06-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Swift

So when someone breaks into your company, and you call the cops to come, they say, "Meh we're handling bigger fish right now. Sorry."

Please...

Well actually i hear about shit like this happening in detroit all the yime unfortunately

Donkey® · 07-06-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by stolz25

Not well. They basically said they don't plan on exporting illegal immigrants unless they have a felony.

Their prerogative.

Originally Posted by stolz25

This is like saying the police aren't obligated to take orders from you should you detain someone who broke into your house.

It's not like saying that at all. It says what it is supposed to say.

Originally Posted by stolz25

Their criteria, based on what I read in the article, seems to be waiting for them to break another law.

Seems to be, but again, their call.

Originally Posted by stolz25

We already know this, which is why I wonder why anyone would care about your opinion.

The stop fucking responding to me? Put me on ignore? You and several others love to claim you don't care but yet here you are replying. Hope that sense of satisfaction you feel while acting like a douchebag helps you get through life.

Not everyone agrees on everything in the world. There's no need for you to constantly insult me. Don't fucking respond.

Originally Posted by stolz25

I personally think people should be able to go where they please, but I'm not the one dealing with the influx of immigrants. When people can't legally work they often turn to other means of survival. Letting them cross the border and not allowing them to legally find a job is ridiculously stupid.

Immigration needs to be fixed. I agree.

Donkey® · 07-06-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by stolz25

Except they didn't come up with it on their own. They are reporting people who are here illegally.

They have limited resources to deal with the situation so your solution is to have government expand and hire thousands of more people so they can respond exactly how every state thinks they should respond?

Donkey® · 07-06-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Swift

So when someone breaks into your company, and you call the cops to come, they say, "Meh we're handling bigger fish right now. Sorry."

Please...

Poor analogy.

Donkey® · 07-06-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Catpiss

It's quite important for us to try to understand how and why someone can come up with such ____________ views.

It is important for us to try and understand why you constantly address and attack ME and not the subject at hand. You want my penis. That's my conclusion. I am not gay so stop trying.

DosEquis · 07-06-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by stolz25

Except they didn't come up with it on their own. They are reporting people who are here illegally.

The criteria for finding illegal immigrants, they came up with on their own. They seek them out.

The feds do not have the capacity to respond as Arizona actively finds people here illegally, and the local cops do not have the capacity to respond to every stolen pack of gum.

There has to be some cost benefit analysis done as well. How much does it cost to actually enforce those laws vs. how much does it cost to have them here illegally.

I am also not saying someone here illegally is equal to stealing a pack of gum.

Laws are bent all the time and selectively enforced because of courts and manpower issues. They don't pull over everyone going 2mph over the speed limit. The don't cite everyone for not wearing their seatbelt when its the law. Not everyone that blows 0.09 BAC instead of the legal 0.08 gets a DUI.

Illegal immigration, for the dept of homeland security, is one of those areas where they don't have the manpower to respond to every single request.

DosEquis · 07-06-2012, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It is important for us to try and understand why you constantly address and attack ME and not the subject at hand. You want my penis. That's my conclusion. I am not gay so stop trying.

What if the lights were off, he had a fresh shave, and didn't talk or make any noises?